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Old 09-24-2012, 12:45 AM   #131
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I am 100% for term limits. House of Reps...8 years, Senate...18 years. Don't get me wrong, I don't think our current (or any) President is perfect, but IMO he's the lesser of two evils we have to choose from right now.

I'm an optimist for the most part, the glass is half full around here.

The biggest issue we as a country have to get through is the divisiveness. I thought Bush II had this down, especially after 9/11. Hell Bush even had minority support because he had Christian values and for the most part, he didn't come off as a *****. He was down to Earth and reminds me a lot of Joe Biden.

I just don't think his heart was in it during his second term. I say this because I think a lot of our country feels burned by what happened during Bush's second term, and while Obama beat McCain in 2008, I still think Obama is getting backlash because confidence in the Presidency is down and things aren't getting better fast enough for a lot of people's unreasonable pace. Frankly, had McCain won, nothing I said would have changed because I'll support who's in office, even if I don't like their politics because a President NEEDS support.
I think I would make the terms shorter. I don't want anyone to make it a career. 6 years max for congress or house. If you are that good and you are termed out of congress, then you can run for senate, or aspire to president. Also, no bene's ( they can use medicare for health). this should be viewed as voluntary work.
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Old 09-24-2012, 12:47 AM   #132
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I am 100% for term limits. House of Reps...8 years, Senate...18 years. Don't get me wrong, I don't think our current (or any) President is perfect, but IMO he's the lesser of two evils we have to choose from right now.

I'm an optimist for the most part, the glass is half full around here.

The biggest issue we as a country have to get through is the divisiveness. I thought Bush II had this down, especially after 9/11. Hell Bush even had minority support because he had Christian values and for the most part, he didn't come off as a *****. He was down to Earth and reminds me a lot of Joe Biden.

I just don't think his heart was in it during his second term. I say this because I think a lot of our country feels burned by what happened during Bush's second term, and while Obama beat McCain in 2008, I still think Obama is getting backlash because confidence in the Presidency is down and things aren't getting better fast enough for a lot of people's unreasonable pace. Frankly, had McCain won, nothing I said would have changed because I'll support who's in office, even if I don't like their politics because a President NEEDS support.
I would put Romney as the lesser of the two evils but that's JMO.

I always liked Bush even for how much he messed up sometimes (as with all politicians) but he truly seemed to care. He truly cares about the veterans and dedicates alot of his time to them. I think he got a lot of criticism from the media in his second term because the wars weren't going as well as everyone hoped and people started to flip sides which stressed him out. And, as you've been saying, Congress has a great deal to do with how well a presidency is viewed.

I also agree on supporting the President even if you don't support the policies and I believe all of us here are pretty much the same. But while I will support him as President, I won't support him as a candidate...
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I think I would make the terms shorter. I don't want anyone to make it a career. 6 years max for congress or house. If you are that good and you are termed out of congress, then you can run for senate, or aspire to president. Also, no bene's ( they can use medicare for health). this should be viewed as voluntary work.
I thought about Congress being voluntary, but it would likely put a bunch of rich guys in power who don't have to worry about money. A few in Congress are okay, but once we start to have a congress full of millionaires, we'd be in for class warfare.

We need experience and common sense in the Senate, which for the most part, the Senate does a good job at being the honest broker, so I think they should get 2-3 terms max, so 12-18 years It's the House of Representatives with the extremists from both parties, so those crazies need to be limited to no more than 8 years, maybe 4 years, so let's say two terms in the House, 3 terms in the Senate.

Those who go from the House to the Senate realize they can't be as extreme in their views, so they calm down a bit. The House is a free for all. Check out CSPAN every now and then. It's a circus in the House.
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I thought about Congress being voluntary, but it would likely put a bunch of rich guys in power who don't have to worry about money. A few in Congress are okay, but once we start to have a congress full of millionaires, we'd be in for class warfare.

We need experience and common sense in the Senate, which for the most part, the Senate does a good job at being the honest broker, so I think they should get 2-3 terms max, so 12-18 years It's the House of Representatives with the extremists from both parties, so those crazies need to be limited to no more than 8 years, maybe 4 years, so let's say two terms in the House, 3 terms in the Senate.

Those who go from the House to the Senate realize they can't be as extreme in their views, so they calm down a bit. The House is a free for all. Check out CSPAN every now and then. It's a circus in the House.
It's all millionaires because middle class people can't afford to run a campaign...

I would say 2 and 2 for Senate and House. 18 years is a long time.

It would help if they would do their job of actually legislating instead of socializing all day and getting free stuff from lobbyists...
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I would put Romney as the lesser of the two evils but that's JMO.
Let's see... a multi-millionaire who's career at a private equity firm was built on efficiency of businesses. Just as I have friends and family that were directly affected by the stimulus and bailouts, a family friend was affected by Bain Capital and their quest for efficiency at a steel mill in South Carolina about 10 years ago.
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Let's see... a multi-millionaire who's career at a private equity firm was built on efficiency of businesses. Just as I have friends and family that were directly affected by the stimulus and bailouts, a family friend was affected by Bain Capital and their quest for efficiency at a steel mill in South Carolina about 10 years ago.
And is efficiency a bad thing in gov't? I'll agree it's not the best time to cut jobs, etc but it needs to be done cause we can't spend our way out of it.

As another member said earlier, I would be willing to pay a bit more taxes if all/majority of my tax dollars went to paying off the debt or truly necessary gov't functions. And I hate paying taxes...
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It's all millionaires because middle class people can't afford to run a campaign...

I would say 2 and 2 for Senate and House. 18 years is a long time.

It would help if they would do their job of actually legislating instead of socializing all day and getting free stuff from lobbyists...
1. You don't have to be a millionaire to run a campaign. You need support of the people, and you need an agenda that appeals to your constituency. Joe Biden was one of the least well off Senators in the Senate and had no problem getting elected and re-elected That's just one example, there are hundreds of examples at the gubernatorial and House of Representatives level.

2. 18 years is three terms in the Senate. You have to have a House of Congress with a knowledge base to make reasonable decisions and effective policy. Two terms in the House isn't enough, either. 4 years isn't long enough to truly learn your district, let alone long enough to make effective policy affecting those outside your district.

3. If Congress would stop trying to be obstructionists and stop pushing social issues and witch hunts as the main agenda, work could get done. Instead, we're worried about gay marriage and fast and furious, neither of which I care about.
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1. You don't have to be a millionaire to run a campaign. You need support of the people, and you need an agenda that appeals to your constituency. Joe Biden was one of the least well off Senators in the Senate and had no problem getting elected and re-elected That's just one example, there are hundreds of examples at the gubernatorial and House of Representatives level.

Joe Biden also ran in one of the least expensive media markets in the nation as well as running for Senator in one of the smallest states in the Union.

Try running for the House in Massachusetts. It takes a large bankroll, whether the individual supplies it or the Party supplies it. How do you raise money? You have to run ads. How do you buy the ads to raise money?

It's like a race team........it takes a buttload of money to finish second.
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