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Old 10-08-2012, 10:50 PM   #1101
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Don't be so hard on him ! At least he wasn't frothing at the mouth...........yet ?
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(Watch out... Uneducated guesstimate coming)

I think there is going to be an abundance of People voting for Obama that will never say they did, in this election coming up.
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(or) What we have to... both Democrats and Republicans!


There are truly people who don't even try to get job because they have been convinced they will never be successful and that welfare is the best the can do.... so just accept it! They have given up! We must stop that! We must use public education to convince their children they can succeed and educate them! Too hard! Maybe, but this government so many hate today did it for me!

My parents never owned a home, my father was an alcoholic, and I'm the first in many, many generations that graduated from college! My parents didn't know how to help me, so "Our Public Schools System" did it! All my parents could contribute was a swift kick when I did make an attempt to learn! They weren't today's "helicopter parents" hovering over the school, nor could they help me with my homework,... but I knew if a note came home that I had not tried to learn..... I was in for a bad, bad week! My parents knew the worse kind of Child Abuse was to allow me to not get an education.... a controlled spanking.... was out of love!

There are also those poor that are struggling today, working two jobs, both mother and father under water financially because they have no marketable skills and they still need food stamps and assistance even when they do work! That is not something I "think"! It is something I personally "know" and of which can give you evidence everyday! There are far more struggling hard to climb out of poverty....then those who will not work! We need to remember that!

One of many reasons is that is more difficult today to succeed than when I crawled out of a my So. Calfornia Ghetto in the 50's is the government "so many hate today" helped me by supporting public education! To balance budgets, well meaning Conservatives have abandoned public education today despite their denials! They want everything privatized as the quick answer and.... also to make a profit on the side as we now do with prisons.

Without a long boring dissertation, (Too late? LOL!) if we want a strong America, Public Education should take children from pre-school through the 14th grade with all the resources necessary to prepare them for (1.) A "state of the art technical skill education" with a journeyman's job waiting for them immediately at graduation much like Germany, (or) (2.) or for those inclined, a college education in one of the professions! This would create a world class workforce! Germany already does much of this explaining they are do better than many other countries as an exporter of high quality products!

My father had died when I graduated from high school and my five foot Irish mother and my younger brother lived in poverty in a ghetto where people were killed regularly! If you didn't carry a switch blade knife, you didn't keep you lunch money! (We never took a dime of welfare!) The horrible socialistic government so many angrily rail against today supported public education enough in the 50's and 60's that I could work full time until Three O'clock in the morning frying chicken and in later years selling guns at a Sporting Goods Store to support myself and pay tuition & books through six years of college, plus three degrees and Teaching Credentials to teach from the 7th Grade to through Jr. College! I also spent six years as a Staff Sgt. in the National Guard during that time! Good Times!? Try to do all that today with exploding college tuitions, ..... or just do as Mitt Romney's says, "Just ask your parents for a loan!"

I don't know if I could have made it today because our goverment prefers to spend our tax money on "Nation Building" in the Middle East instead of Nation Building" in our own American Middle West!

[B]Certainly we must cut the waste out of government spending, but cut it out of usless wars, corporate welfare, the waste in the 18% of GNP Healthcare system Obamacare is designed to do..... and lastly stop people at all economic levels from welfare frauds to Wall Street Fat Cats for stealing our hard earned tax money!

Educate our kids by making college affordable again and we'll develop the world class Middle Class Workers we once had! A smart man, or country looks around and learns from others! We could learn from how Germany got such a great technical workforce with workers required to help direct corporations. We could learn how countries all over the world give good healthcare to all their citizens for half of what we spend on a system that is balooning our national debt!

WE DON'T HAVE TO BECOME LIKE ANOTHER COUNTRY TO LEARN FROM THEM! JAPAN, KOREA AND CHINA SURE LEARNED FROM US AND MAKING ALL OUR ELECTRONICS AND MANY OF OUR CARS! BECAUSE.... THEY WEREN'T TOO STUBBORN TO LEARN FROM OTHERS! EUROPE AND ISRAEL'S SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS AT HALF THE PRICE OF OURS AND THE SAVINGS WOULD QUICKLY LOWER OUR NATIONAL DEBT ......UNLESS WE ARE TOO STUBBORN TO LEARN, OR MITT ROMNEY CONVINCES YOU TO PROTECT THE INSURANCE & DRUG COMPANIES GRABBING 18% OF EVERY DOLLAR CREATED IN GNP!

COULD ALL THAT PROFIT BE BEHIND THE PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE ACT..... OR IS THE REST OF THE WORLD DUMB..... AND REPUBLICANS HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS? YOU ANSWER THAT WHEN YOU VOTE!
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It's all fine and dandy except the reason tuition is so outrageously expensive is gov't itself. Gov't guaranteed loans for college have let even more kids go to college and the colleges know it so they raise the rates, knowing the gov't will pay them. The problem is, it leaves the students in debt for a good part of their life even with that valuable skill.

Another thing that irks me is the way scholarships are given out. You can be a great football player but a horrible student and get a full ride. Now there are the kids who have 4.0+ that might get some full rides. What about the 3.5-4.0 kids with no athletic talent? They get left to pay for the loan themselves because often times their parents make enough money to not qualify for gov't assistance.

And to finish, education is a state issue, not federal. Every state is different and even within each state each county is different.
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I think there is going to be an abundance of People voting for Obama that will never say they did, in this election coming up.
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It's all fine and dandy except the reason tuition is so outrageously expensive is gov't itself. Gov't guaranteed loans for college have let even more kids go to college and the colleges know it so they raise the rates, knowing the gov't will pay them. The problem is, it leaves the students in debt for a good part of their life even with that valuable skill.

Another thing that irks me is the way scholarships are given out. You can be a great football player but a horrible student and get a full ride. Now there are the kids who have 4.0+ that might get some full rides. What about the 3.5-4.0 kids with no athletic talent? They get left to pay for the loan themselves because often times their parents make enough money to not qualify for gov't assistance.

And to finish, education is a state issue, not federal. Every state is different and even within each state each county is different.
very true. Things are significantly different since most of the posters here went to school
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For better or worse (personally for worse) education has become a Federal issue. Despite all the calls to eliminate the Dept. of Education, it won't happen, there's simply too much pork in play for the politicians to resist the graft and eliminate national standards for education.

That being the case, the fix, if there's going to be one, has to come from the feds.

Education has expanded in the past, Massachusetts went from requiring education as a general statement to requiring all students getting a HS education. States can act, but are restricted from going too far outside the bounds of what's considered "normal" by federal mandates.

As to athletes getting a full ride, frankly to me that's abhorrent, as the purpose of a college is supposed to be education, not making money off of "amateur" sports. Too many "student athletes" can't even meet the entrance standards for the universities they attend, but the schools make BILLIONS from college athletics, all tax free.

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There are truly people who don't even try to get job because they have been convinced they will never be successful and that welfare is the best the can do.... so just accept it! They have given up! We must stop that! We must use public education to convince their children they can succeed and educate them! Too hard! Maybe, but this government so many hate today did it for me!

My parents never owned a home, my father was an alcoholic, and I'm the first in many, many generations that graduated from college! My parents didn't know how to help me, so "Our Public Schools System" did it! All my parents could contribute was a swift kick when I did make an attempt to learn! They weren't today's "helicopter parents" hovering over the school, nor could they help me with my homework,... but I knew if a note came home that I had not tried to learn..... I was in for a bad, bad week! My parents knew the worse kind of Child Abuse was to allow me to not get an education.... a controlled spanking.... was out of love!

There are also those poor that are struggling today, working two jobs, both mother and father under water financially because they have no marketable skills and they still need food stamps and assistance even when they do work! That is not something I "think"! It is something I personally "know" and of which can give you evidence everyday! There are far more struggling hard to climb out of poverty....then those who will not work! We need to remember that!

One of many reasons is that is more difficult today to succeed than when I crawled out of a my So. Calfornia Ghetto in the 50's is the government "so many hate today" helped me by supporting public education! To balance budgets, well meaning Conservatives have abandoned public education today despite their denials! They want everything privatized as the quick answer and.... also to make a profit on the side as we now do with prisons.

Without a long boring dissertation, (Too late? LOL!) if we want a strong America, Public Education should take children from pre-school through the 14th grade with all the resources necessary to prepare them for (1.) A "state of the art technical skill education" with a journeyman's job waiting for them immediately at graduation much like Germany, (or) (2.) or for those inclined, a college education in one of the professions! This would create a world class workforce! Germany already does much of this explaining they are do better than many other countries as an exporter of high quality products!

My father had died when I graduated from high school and my five foot Irish mother and my younger brother lived in poverty in a ghetto where people were killed regularly! If you didn't carry a switch blade knife, you didn't keep you lunch money! (We never took a dime of welfare!) The horrible socialistic government so many angrily rail against today supported public education enough in the 50's and 60's that I could work full time until Three O'clock in the morning frying chicken and in later years selling guns at a Sporting Goods Store to support myself and pay tuition & books through six years of college, plus three degrees and Teaching Credentials to teach from the 7th Grade to through Jr. College! I also spent six years as a Staff Sgt. in the National Guard during that time! Good Times!? Try to do all that today with exploding college tuitions, ..... or just do as Mitt Romney's says, "Just ask your parents for a loan!"

I don't know if I could have made it today because our goverment prefers to spend our tax money on "Nation Building" in the Middle East instead of Nation Building" in our own American Middle West!

[B]Certainly we must cut the waste out of government spending, but cut it out of usless wars, corporate welfare, the waste in the 18% of GNP Healthcare system Obamacare is designed to do..... and lastly stop people at all economic levels from welfare frauds to Wall Street Fat Cats for stealing our hard earned tax money!

Educate our kids by making college affordable again and we'll develop the world class Middle Class Workers we once had! A smart man, or country looks around and learns from others! We could learn from how Germany got such a great technical workforce with workers required to help direct corporations. We could learn how countries all over the world give good healthcare to all their citizens for half of what we spend on a system that is balooning our national debt!

WE DON'T HAVE TO BECOME LIKE ANOTHER COUNTRY TO LEARN FROM THEM! JAPAN, KOREA AND CHINA SURE LEARNED FROM US AND MAKING ALL OUR ELECTRONICS AND MANY OF OUR CARS! BECAUSE.... THEY WEREN'T TOO STUBBORN TO LEARN FROM OTHERS! EUROPE AND ISRAEL'S SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS AT HALF THE PRICE OF OURS AND THE SAVINGS WOULD QUICKLY LOWER OUR NATIONAL DEBT ......UNLESS WE ARE TOO STUBBORN TO LEARN, OR MITT ROMNEY CONVINCES YOU TO PROTECT THE INSURANCE & DRUG COMPANIES GRABBING 18% OF EVERY DOLLAR CREATED IN GNP!

COULD ALL THAT PROFIT BE BEHIND THE PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE ACT..... OR IS THE REST OF THE WORLD DUMB..... AND REPUBLICANS HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS? YOU ANSWER THAT WHEN YOU VOTE!

While I hear what you are saying. Once again you suffer from you don't know what you don't know ! The data simply dose not support your rants !

Everybody has a story . My father, who was born in 1930 was the first in the middle of 5 to put himself through school. With out going onto detail, he lived BELOW his means to put himself through vet school. He has made and lost more money than I care to think about! Point is, it was his to do with his choosing ! He is now 82 and still working by choice. He had the intelligence to collect micro plasma samples 20 years ago, and now has a thriving little enterprise going!
I am fairly certain he did it without government loans ?

While we can certainly learn from other country's, socialism is not one of them !
I for one would like to see more of the German building practices embraced, but that will never happen because most of the American public will not be willing to pay for it up front !

And simply get it through your head that Obama care is a tax as ruled by the Supreme Court ! If it were really going to achieve what you would like it to, don't you think that it would have addressed the high cost of insurance and meds as you like to point out ?
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Another thing that irks me is the way scholarships are given out. You can be a great football player but a horrible student and get a full ride. Now there are the kids who have 4.0+ that might get some full rides. What about the 3.5-4.0 kids with no athletic talent? They get left to pay for the loan themselves because often times their parents make enough money to not qualify for gov't assistance.

And to finish, education is a state issue, not federal. Every state is different and even within each state each county is different.
You are wise beyond your years !

Government abuse by the education system ? Who would of thunk it ?

My wife was a 4.0 and didn't got chit ! But with most schools, GPA is playing a larger role in the athletic scholarships. But I feel that it is still terribly unbalanced ?
But when you look at the way that most of us idolize sports, then you have to conclude that maybe it is our own fault ?
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