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Old 10-07-2012, 11:56 AM   #1041
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What a typically biased and silly response! Times magazine names people Man Of The Year because of their influence on the world, not because they "Sweethearts we should love"! In 1938 Hitler did have a little importance if you remember your history! Geez! As I expected, you immediately reject the opinion of a Nobel Prize winner unless it fits your ideology!

The only reason I bother posting on this thread is in hope their are a few openminded people that read the thread, but don't bother posting! They might be open to considering someone else's opinion! Hope springs eternal!
Sorry, i do not know this nobel prize winner, for all i know he is a republican, conservative or libertarian. Bias, your stretching a bit. Using the Hitler comparison was extreme, i agree, but it was to show that with out properly giving the back ground of the econonmist it is meaningless as many are far left or far right. Nobel prizes can also be given to rotten people also. don't mean to get under your skin, but you don't know my ideiology as we have never met, so your are making inferences or assumptions at best from a hanful of postings. And while my postings probaby lean right (i mentioned i care about numbers most - fiscal guy) I have also agreed with the left, and even a fe of your posts. But I will tell you, numbers come first, and the rest is second. I don't care if its left right or center, i like to delve into the numbers because most (politicians both sides) don't spend the time to analyze them or they simply make them up.
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Try reading his posts as "short novels"...loosely bases on a true story, with accuracy secondary in importance to the plot.
Thanks ! I will take that into consideration!

Anybody here ever read the book "The Lucifer Effect"?
It is based on the Stanford Prison project from 1971 .
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"We have requested that the Obama campaign refrain from using NBC News material in this and future advertisements,”

NBC tells Obama not to use footage
Apparently, NBC does not want to be a party to perpetuation of this particular misdirection, in which Andrea Mitchell is shown on air citing an independent, stating w/o any substantiation, that Mitt Romney’s tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over 10 years.

Good for you NBC! There is hope for you yet!

See Link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82104.html
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Thanks ! I will take that into consideration!

Anybody here ever read the book "The Lucifer Effect"?
It is based on the Stanford Prison project from 1971 .
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Romney hammered Obama with 8% unemployment until it dropped to 7.8%... now the 8% was never real! What a surprise....we can't have any good news until Romney is president! Real employment is more like 14%, he says now! Granted things need to improve as everybody understands, but everywhere I go the stores are full of people shopping and when I try to get into our areas best Buffet Restaurant I have to wait in line outside! It's not the Great Depression! I went to the Toyota dealer to check on a car for one of my family and was told business is much better andthey can't keep the model I was interested in on the lot! They only had one, in a horrible dark color that won't cut it in the desert, but they'll call me when some more come in! What? I thought the economy was dead as Romeny says!

I understand that people that still can't find a job are still hurting, but things are improving month by month and since the hole was dug very deeply it will take time to climb out! That's only common sense!

Things were done wrong from Clinton signing laws agreeing with the Republicans to the deregulating of the banks and going along with NAFTA.... it then went forward through Bush's reducing taxes on the wealthy and telling us that money will "Tickle Down" to the Middle Class! Baloney...we're still waiting for that! Bush then put two wars put on a credit card until it all crashed to a near 2nd Great Depression! So, with 800,000 jobs being lost every month they gave it to Obama to fix.... and now Obama hasn't made everything beautiful yet after only 3 1/2 years!

So.... now Romney wants the steering wheel so he can do essentially what Bush did again and cut 20% more taxes, and pretend closing loopholes will make that up all that lost revenue... so the 1% can get more and more of the wealth of this nation as CLEARLY PROVEN BY IRS FACTS NO ONE CAN DENY.... AND AGAIN the Middle Class are handed the bill!

I hope those that read this thread, but don't post are not easily fooled by more "Trickle Down" economics that favor the wealthy 1%, now called the Job Creators! LOL! I have to admit, "Job Creators" does sound much better than the 1% that owns about half of the wealth of our country that are killing the unions while the stock market has doubled since Obama has been in office! Changing their names fooled you into not knowing they were the 1%, didn't it! Boy do they think we are dumb!
Yes, the 2 month trend is down (which is always good news), but nothing really to jump for joy. The problem is not the number, but the components of the numebr. The headline unemployment is made up of two different surveys. They payroll which surveys approx 150,000 businesses, and the household which surveys approx 50,000 individuals. The surveys are night and day of each other. The payroll, which most economists give more weight to was below estimates (1,000), not much, no big deal. The household, was up aprox 840,000. Quite a difference , and many economists have said it is probably an anomoly. The problem is the household is a very volatile number, and subject to large revisions. If the household came in for the next 2 readings high, then we could have a bit more faith in it. Also, if a respondent to the household survey has lost a job but says he is a consultant ( I had that title, in the tech recession) but earns no income and has no salary or benefits and says another household member is also a part of this consulting group with no income/bene's, when reality they are looking for an actual employer, they would be considered employed (consultant part of survey skyrocketed). The data is very subjective and volatile, that is the issue. It has been 4 years. Other presidents have had this big of a whoile before. This is, according to the Fed, the slowest recovery in history. Now as Americans we want it yesterday, and folks do need to be patient, but the question I ask is are the right policies in place. I personally do not think so. To me this is a fiscal policy issue.

The 14% Romeny references is the u-6 number which economist also reference as it has not been monkeyed around with as much as the headline number. It is the same as last month at 14.7%

Question? What 20% tax break are you referencing when talking about with Romney? I can not find this information.
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Question: Does your mother's suggestion apply to Romney's "Magical Plan" of reducing taxes by 20% while giving much more money to the Military Industrial Complex for things the Pentagon says they don't need.... just by closing loopholes THAT HE WILL NOT SPECIFY BECAUSE.... THEY WON'T WORK.... JUST AS GEORGE BUSH DID WHEN HE RAN!

George Bush said essentially the same thing knowing that it wouldn't work and then ran up a tremendous debt that was passed on to the Middle Class while the wealthy got a tax break! Go back and look at his speeches and what he said in the debates! Same basic "Trickle Down" baloney that Romney is slicing yet again today! Cut taxes and the economy will boom! Did the economy boom or bomb while Bush was president! It crashed due to his "trickle down" ideas and both Democratic and Republican' administration's stupid, stupid, stupid ideas of getting rid of regulations in financing houses and letting Wall Street mix our savings with their gambling funds! Now Obama can't clean up the mess fast enough for those who left it in his lap and they want to repeat the old mistakes BECAUSE IT REDISTRIBUTES INCOME TO THE 1%, AND DON'T TELL ME NO BECAUSE IT IS PROVEN CLEARLY BY IRS FIGURES! UNLESS YOU DON'T LIKE SOLID FACTS!!
No one including Romney disputes the actual IRS Figures! He just smiles and says as Goerge Bush also did.... I won't do that.... and then... HE WILL DO IT!

If Romney is being honest.... listen very carefully for the "SPECIFIC" LOOPHOLES" he will eliminate that will "ADD UP TO" the massive amount needed to make up for reducing taxes by 20%! Those loopholes will not get through congress as they will hurt both Republicans and Democrats in the Middle Class and effectively raise their taxes! George Bush said the same thing and it never happened! The numbers don't add up, so a 20% tax reduction with more money to the Military Industrial Complex equals adding to the National Debt and of course always blaming Democrats!

What president balanced the budget and left office with a surplus? Clinton! Oh, I know how you hate that fact! Too bad! I'd like to believe in the Easter Bunny too, but facts are facts even when you deny them!
I don't mean to point out your factual inaccuracies, but if we are going to have a debate, then we should use real data. First, while the market crashed under bush, it was in his last several months of being a president. If you look at the data, revenue (tax collected by govt) to GDP, it was above long term historical averages, after the tax cuts for all Americans (you reference the wealthy all the time but all income earners were given a tax cut), until the end of 2008 when the floor fell out for real estate . The crash was not due to tax cuts, but due to spending from wars (you'll like that) and the fact that the Fed (independent from the Pres [supposedly]) kept rates too low. This was then over leveraged by Congress by the expansion of the CRA (Community reinvestmenbt act). remeber evil bansk wouldn't lend poor people money because couldn't pay the loans back. well the govt got involved forced loans to poor people who couldn;t afford homes and guess what happened. now i dont let the banks off they took advantage of it, because the govt said if its a qualified loan it can be sold to fannie or freddie (and qualify as a CRA loan) essentially making it a risk free loan for the banks. The govt created a whole and the banks drove a truck through it. Lack of regulation over CDX product (credit default swaps) was also a major issue. I can go on and on, but all the evidence shows that Bush was not the cause, it was mostly BIG GOVT(getting into the private sector where they should not have been). Ta dah!
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What president balanced the budget and left office with a surplus? Clinton! Oh, I know how you hate that fact! Too bad! I'd like to believe in the Easter Bunny too, but facts are facts even when you deny them!
Opinyawn, I taken you were smarter then that being a political science teacher. You know that the President does not have the authority to control the money spent by the government, Congress does. The President can only request money and submit a budget. Congress has the power to add to the Presidents budget and other expenditures. During the Clinton era, it was the slightly republican controlled house and senate that battled Clinton his last two submitted budgets of his first term. I guess he got the hint in his second term because he never submitted an unbalanced budget after that since republicans and conservative democrats vastly controlled the house and senate then. Although Clinton does like to take credit for it, it was the congress at that time that should receive the credit. Actually if you look at all the data, not just who is President at the time, you will see that is when congress is mostly republican that there was less growth in our national debt.

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Kinda quiet in here today. I hope nobody ran out of data on their OBAMA PHONE!!!

per opinyawns request here is todays Obama phone video

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Opinyawn, I taken you were smarter then that being a political science teacher. You know that the President does not have the authority to control the money spent by the government, Congress does. The President can only request money and submit a budget. Congress has the power to add to the Presidents budget and other expenditures. During the Clinton era, it was the slightly republican controlled house and senate that battled Clinton his last two submitted budgets of his first term. I guess he got the hint in his second term because he never submitted an unbalanced budget after that since republicans and conservative democrats vastly controlled the house and senate then. Although Clinton does like to take credit for it, it was the congress at that time that should receive the credit. Actually if you look at all the data, not just who is President at the time, you will see that is when congress is mostly republican that there was less growth in our national debt.

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