Waiting for the ten speed...
09-28-2014, 12:14 PM
#11
Senior Member
Yes, GM and Ford are together on this. GM is doing a 9 speed FWD version, and Ford is doing a 10 speed RWD version.
And don't count GM out. They have a new, conventional torque-converter automatic in the Corvette that shifts faster than the fine dual-clutch auto in the Porsche 911.
As for power handling ability, the parts are designed up to the maximum power expected. If you throw more power at it, then you have to upgrade all parts of the powertrain, including the transmission.
This is America, we can do it if we put our minds to it.
And don't count GM out. They have a new, conventional torque-converter automatic in the Corvette that shifts faster than the fine dual-clutch auto in the Porsche 911.
As for power handling ability, the parts are designed up to the maximum power expected. If you throw more power at it, then you have to upgrade all parts of the powertrain, including the transmission.
This is America, we can do it if we put our minds to it.
Basically what I'm saying is that I wouldn't buy the first year 10 speed until I've seen how it handles aftermarket power adders. This is because I know I'd be adding serious power to it.
09-28-2014, 12:35 PM
#12
Side note - 8 and 10 speed transmissions show that with the right gearbox, gas engines like the 3.6, can stomp the torque rich engines like Fiats/Rams diesel. Horsepower is power, and these transmissions make it all usable.
09-28-2014, 12:39 PM
#13
Well I'm pushing over 700hp through the stock 6 speed transmission and many are pushing quiet a bit more than that without issue. If ford is building the 10 speed to handle the same amount of power their current 6 speed handles then it will be good but I worry they won't because it would require a larger, heavier transmission to contain all those clutch packs (while they are trying to decrease weight).
Basically what I'm saying is that I wouldn't buy the first year 10 speed until I've seen how it handles aftermarket power adders. This is because I know I'd be adding serious power to it.
Basically what I'm saying is that I wouldn't buy the first year 10 speed until I've seen how it handles aftermarket power adders. This is because I know I'd be adding serious power to it.
The "Ford" 6 speed is a licensed product that they did not design or engineer. They licensed the design and modified the calibrations for truck duty....... The last Ford 6 speed is the FWD GM collaboration they have in so many FWD / AWD
vehicles right now. And Ford's upcoming design may incorporate twin layshafts or DSG, so that would negate the need for an ever increasing number of clutches.
09-28-2014, 01:05 PM
#14
Senior Member
A super tall overdrive will load engine, causing boost, and cost fuel. Too much load will cause tall overdrive to disengage and be useless. The extra gears will help pulling & accelerating but do not change highway economy. A 10 speed will be nice but can not do wonders. How much lower than 4x4 low range/1st gear do you need.? My 8,000+ super duty jumps off ground in lowest gear trying to do too much. A light F150 will go nuts.
09-28-2014, 01:18 PM
#15
Senior Member
The "Ford" 6 speed is a licensed product that they did not design or engineer. They licensed the design and modified the calibrations for truck duty....... The last Ford 6 speed is the FWD GM collaboration they have in so many FWD / AWD vehicles right now.
And Ford's upcoming design may incorporate twin layshafts or DSG, so that would negate the need for an ever increasing number of clutches.
vehicles right now. And Ford's upcoming design may incorporate twin layshafts or DSG, so that would negate the need for an ever increasing number of clutches.
Are you trying to say the 6r80 is used in fwd vehicles, because it is not. Nor are/where any of the ZF 6HP26 or 6HP26A (which is used in longitudinal AWD cars) versions.
I stated my point in my last post, I want to see how aftermarket power is handled before i'd buy because for me how it handles stock power (which is what most buyers care about) isn't my concern.
09-28-2014, 02:30 PM
#16
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09-28-2014, 07:38 PM
#17
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GM and Ford have had co-developed transmissions since at least 2009.
This new agreement marks the third time in the past decade that GM and Ford have collaborated on transmissions. These collaborative efforts have enabled both companies together to deliver more than 8 million durable, high-quality 6-speed front-wheel drive transmissions to customers around the globe.
General Motors and Ford Motor Company cooperated in 2002 to create a new automatic transaxle, designed for transverse engine applications in cars and light trucks. The companies jointly committed to investing US$720 million in their manufacturing plants to support the new transmission.
Chrysler Group LLC initially received the 8HP 8-speed automatic transmissions from the ZF Getriebe GmbH plant in Saarbrücken, Germany. By 2013, in parallel with Chrysler Group, ZF has set up a new transmission production plant in North America, where the 8-speed transmissions will be produced.
09-29-2014, 05:19 AM
#19
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Thread Starter
A super tall overdrive will load engine, causing boost, and cost fuel. Too much load will cause tall overdrive to disengage and be useless. The extra gears will help pulling & accelerating but do not change highway economy. A 10 speed will be nice but can not do wonders. How much lower than 4x4 low range/1st gear do you need.? My 8,000+ super duty jumps off ground in lowest gear trying to do too much. A light F150 will go nuts.
It's not bragging rights for most number of gears.
It's a government mandated push for maximum mileage.
And just because there are 10 gears in there doesn't mean the trans goes to top gear at 40 mph. It should be pretty refined, if the 6 speed auto in my Fusion is any indication.
09-29-2014, 07:19 AM
#20
[QUOTE=OldFlick;3727135]A super tall overdrive will load engine, causing boost, and cost fuel. Too much load will cause tall overdrive to disengage and be useless. The extra gears will help pulling & accelerating but do not change highway economy. A 10 speed will be nice but can not do wonders. How much lower than 4x4 low range/1st gear do you need.?QUOTE]
Agree 100%
Ford will have enough bugs to work out with their new truck.
Weight savings and engine technology will save mpg, not a super tall highway gear.
Other possible reasons: Cost - who knows how much more the trucks will cost in comparison to the high-volume 6 speed.
Weight- especially important with the 2.7tt
Durability- important to modders!
Pros and cons. Doubtful that being a 6 speed will scare many at all away.
Agree 100%
Ford will have enough bugs to work out with their new truck.
Weight savings and engine technology will save mpg, not a super tall highway gear.
Other possible reasons: Cost - who knows how much more the trucks will cost in comparison to the high-volume 6 speed.
Weight- especially important with the 2.7tt
Durability- important to modders!
Pros and cons. Doubtful that being a 6 speed will scare many at all away.