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Old 09-14-2016, 08:56 AM
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A vehicle is not an investment.
It will loose money over the years.
I don't buy in the hope to have the highest resale value, I buy what makes me happy. That means, if I don't like the higher trim options or gizmos that a company offers, I will buy a lower trim, and modify it to my taste.

A higher trim will worth more on the use market, but not a lot more.
Just look at a used M3 and compare it to a used 325 with a LS1 swap. The 325 will sell for more, because it is more unique.
That's what I've seen with many cars, unless you have a futur collectable car but our trucks aren't.
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Originally Posted by carrierj
I agree with this. Not only saving a little on the front end to stay within budget, but also making your truck somewhat unique. It is fun IMO to be able to do these mods yourself (aka tinker) and take personal pride in it.

On my 302A I added several things to the MFT with FORscan, including NAV and climate controls. Added the tailgate damper, TBC, swapped out my 5 bar XLT chrome grill for a 3 bar Lariat, replaced all the halogen bulbs with LED's, added some LED DRL's, replace a few interior items, tinted windows, 1.5" level, etc. I may have spent about $1200 on doing these.

I am not talking about mods that are 500 bucks or less. We all do those kind of mods to personalize our vehicles. I am talking thousands of dollar mods that in the end if you do you get close to the price of the a higher trim with it already installed
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Originally Posted by Mizzou.Mike
It was 3500 to get the LED headlights and tail lights installed by a local truck accessories place

2k for auto steps installed

2k for the kicker upgrade installed.

2500 for navigation (they took something out behind the 8" screen and sent it out to get navigation added)

1500 for leather

1000 to get a lariat instrument cluster installed
some of these are WILDLY high. Amps are 1200 full price with plug and play, so 800 dollar install? 2500 nav? LOLOLOL. 1k dollar cluster swap? 3500 dollar lights?

sounds like he rolled into the local truck accessories store and handed them a credit card. it appears he overpaid by like 40% on all these mods, except maybe the leather.
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Old 09-14-2016, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
I think the bigger question for some of us is why people spend so much money modifying lights. I guess I'm old school - headlight bulb is under $10. I would never consider doing what many seem to do - I would also not buy a vehicle that had a ring of LED dots around the outside of the light. To me it looks cheap.

People do what people do because they do. You cannot look for reason in those without reason, nor in those whose reasons differ from yours.
I feel sort of the same way... If my truck came with LED lights, then whatever, that's fine... but I don't think I've ever spent one second thinking about headlights other than, "Is mine out?" or "I gotta stop at the store on the way home and grab a new bulb".

I'm old school (or simpler) than most, and an XL level truck fit my needs perfectly.

I do enjoy seeing some of the mods that people do (others make me shake my head), but in the end, to each their own. If you want to make your truck look like some futuristic transformer, than do it. It's your money, not mine
Old 09-14-2016, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mizzou.Mike
I am not talking about mods that are 500 bucks or less. We all do those kind of mods to personalize our vehicles. I am talking thousands of dollar mods that in the end if you do you get close to the price of the a higher trim with it already installed
Not everyone wants to take on that kind of debt if financing, and sometimes your needs change after the time of purchase. I bought a 300A XLT and ended up having a loan under $20k all said and done. The monthly payment is only $300 - low enough that I can cover the payments even if I find myself in financial distress. Sure, I could have been approved for a KR or a Lariat, but that doesn't mean I would have been smart to take it. Even after upgrading my headlights, stereo, towing equipment, and quite a few other lackluster components, I still spent less money than I would have going up a trim level. At my age that money is far better spent loading up my 401k or saving up for a house. As far as resale goes, I don't buy into the logic of buying higher trims at all. That pitch is for suckers trying to justify a truck they don't need. Trucks depreciate. The more money you put in, the more money you lose. If you feel the higher trims depreciate disproportionately less than lower trims, go right ahead and buy what you want. It's your money.
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Originally Posted by Mizzou.Mike
My buddy paid 40k for an xlt sport. But now has spent close to 12k in getting the stuff a platinum or heavily optioned lariat would come with.

It was 3500 to get the LED headlights and tail lights installed by a local truck accessories place

2k for auto steps installed

2k for the kicker upgrade installed.

2500 for navigation (they took something out behind the 8" screen and sent it out to get navigation added)

1500 for leather

1000 to get a lariat instrument cluster installed


I just think the mods are getting so expensive now unless you do it yourself or have access to distributor pricing it doesnt seem worthwhile

In this case, I see your concern.

1. He grossly overpaid.
2. It helps having a little know-how when it comes to cost of some things (installation)
3. In your friend's case, he wanted more "extras" thus making it feasible that maybe he should have bought a higher optioned truck.

I also agree with the statement that some people have the cash to do upgrades and don't want to finance a lot.
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
I would also not buy a vehicle that had a ring of LED dots around the outside of the light. To me it looks cheap.
Agreed. I call them Christmas lights (to be nice). Only an idiot would want Christmas lights on their vehicle all year. If I'm not looking to be nice, I say it looks like stripper/hooker eye-glitter.

I like Ford's LEDs, I'm VERY happy they didn't use Christmas lights inside the F150 headlights even though they are on other vehicles like the new Escapes.

Only thing I don't like about the F150 LEDs is the price. There is nothing in those LEDs that justifies the prices Ford is asking. What I can't get over is all these guys saying they paid $36-$38k for their XLTs... I paid $38,900 for my Lariat and had my choice of a dozen XLTs for under $34k.
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Here's my thought (keep in mind, I purchased a Lariat 502A I have no intentions of "modding"):

If I had any inkling to change out things like wheels, stereo, grille, etc I'd probably go for a lower level trim as well. My thinking is the less "gadgets" the thing has from the factory, the less messing around you have to do with adapters and what not to defeat or disable annoying warnings and sensors. With as complex as these trucks are on the computer/electrical side, I think less is more in terms of buying something to mod.

Aside from that, many of the aftermarket accessories you'd add to a lower trim to make it more like a higher trim are of much higher quality that one Ford sends out the doors. Better value for your money sort of thing.
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I had to spend over a grand finishing the construction of my truck, and making safe to drive and ready to tow, even though I bought a tow package.

Tires.. replaced the mini-van tires it came with on a tow vehicle. (Disgraceful)

LED replacement headlights and fogs... I couldn't see half as well at night asbI could in my 02 f250. Was just a matter of time until I hit a deer or something at night in the highway.

Shocks... Fox2.0 cured the dangerous side hop. Shame on Ford engineering for letting these trucks hit the road with this suspension characteristic.

Mudflaps and wheel wells were always included in my prior Ford trucks...but not this one.

Most if these upgrades would have to be done even with the higher packages. As a poster above stated, is wouldn't want to add to the cost of already overpriced options by paying interest on them as well.
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Originally Posted by Mizzou.Mike
My buddy paid 40k for an xlt sport. But now has spent close to 12k in getting the stuff a platinum or heavily optioned lariat would come with.

It was 3500 to get the LED headlights and tail lights installed by a local truck accessories place

2k for auto steps installed

2k for the kicker upgrade installed.

2500 for navigation (they took something out behind the 8" screen and sent it out to get navigation added)

1500 for leather

1000 to get a lariat instrument cluster installed


I just think the mods are getting so expensive now unless you do it yourself or have access to distributor pricing it doesnt seem worthwhile
He waaay waaay overpaid for everything. Clusters are running 400-500 used (and in perfect condition). 2K for Kicker audio? He could have gotten high end JL audio or even entry-level Focal for that price.

1500 for leather? I got mine, custom made and installed for 1200. 2500 for navigation? 300 for a used APIM with navigation already on there.

I got a 302A, which was a good starting platform. I have done about 5400 in mods, and except for cooled seats and push start, I have a 502A and some other stuff not available on that trim level.

Entry price for a 502A is 7999.99 MSRP. I have saved about 5K by doing everything myself (except the seats), you just gotta shop around and be willing to learn how to tear up and fix your truck. Half the fun in modding is learning and working on your rig.

Just my $0.02
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