New UPR catch can....install
05-27-2016, 10:13 AM
#471
Senior Member
05-27-2016, 10:15 AM
#472
I doubt they would automatically void a warranty, but under certain circumstances they might. I see this as no different than installing an aftermarket stereo:
Install an aftermarket stereo with no problems, your warranty is fine.
Install an aftermarket stereo, screw up, fry the electrical system, then I think you would find a warranty claim denied pretty quick.
Soooo
Back on topic...
-Alan
Install an aftermarket stereo with no problems, your warranty is fine.
Install an aftermarket stereo, screw up, fry the electrical system, then I think you would find a warranty claim denied pretty quick.
Soooo
Back on topic...
-Alan
05-27-2016, 10:18 AM
#473
I doubt they would automatically void a warranty, but under certain circumstances they might. I see this as no different than installing an aftermarket stereo:
Install an aftermarket stereo with no problems, your warranty is fine.
Install an aftermarket stereo, screw up, fry the electrical system, then I think you would find a warranty claim denied pretty quick.
Soooo
Back on topic...
-Alan
Install an aftermarket stereo with no problems, your warranty is fine.
Install an aftermarket stereo, screw up, fry the electrical system, then I think you would find a warranty claim denied pretty quick.
Soooo
Back on topic...
-Alan
I guess deleting a Powerstroke also wont automatically void your warranty... oh wait... never mind....
05-27-2016, 10:21 AM
#474
Fiddling with the engine system, installing parts which are not supposed to be there, gutting stuff.... yeah.... right.... comparable to installing a Sony car stereo system....
I guess deleting a Powerstroke also wont automatically void your warranty... oh wait... never mind....
I guess deleting a Powerstroke also wont automatically void your warranty... oh wait... never mind....
You have your opinion, I have mine. Lets agree to disagree right now before THIS thread gets closed.
-Alan
05-27-2016, 10:41 AM
#475
Senior Member
I know what you posted before and you're full of it. You've resorted to posting falsities about voiding warranties to try and make your point. So what's your true beef?
05-27-2016, 11:09 AM
#476
Not that anyone gives a rat's behind, but since we are sharing opinions, I'll share mine, which isn't likely to be favored by anyone, pro or against CCs:
There are two kinds of vehicle buyers:
1) Those that purchase vehicles that keep them for a few years then trade them in on something else.
2) Those that purchase vehicles and keep them until the wheels fall off.
In my OPINION, catch cans will not benefit the first group what-so-ever. However, they will greatly benefit the second group:
I am not a mechanic by trade, BUT as a fair "shade tree" mechanic, I have seen what the inside of the induction system looks like after a couple hundred thousand miles. Last time I looked inside an intake on a high mileage vehicle, there was at least a quarter inch thick residue of an oily gooey sludge. I'm surprised the vehicle could even breathe. Although its possible that crap got in there by other means, the vast majority had to have been deposited there by the PCV system returning blow-by products and oil vapor back to the induction system for re-combustion. In my opinion, much of that crap can be greatly reduced with a catch can.
Its been pointed out many times that no manufacturer installs them, so they aren't necessary. True, because they are absolutely unnecessary for the longevity of the engine for the entire duration of a warranty period. Its the period LONG AFTER the warranty has expired that a catch can rears its benefits. Again-my opinion.
Will installing one magically make your car last a million miles with no breakdowns? Of course not. You will end up replacing brakes, hoses, belts, alternators, batteries, and the list goes on. But if you can keep the inside of the engine clean it should hopefully extend the length of time before the engine needs an expensive tear-down. Call it insurance. Does purchasing car insurance guarantee you won't have an accident...of course not. Just in the same way installing a catch can won't guarantee your engine will fail before it should. But insurance is not always a bad thing.
Me personally, its a mod I am interested in doing because of the potential valve coking issue on DI engines.
Disclaimer: Again these are just my opinions based on what little bit I have seen over the course of my life tinkering with vehicles.
-Alan
There are two kinds of vehicle buyers:
1) Those that purchase vehicles that keep them for a few years then trade them in on something else.
2) Those that purchase vehicles and keep them until the wheels fall off.
In my OPINION, catch cans will not benefit the first group what-so-ever. However, they will greatly benefit the second group:
I am not a mechanic by trade, BUT as a fair "shade tree" mechanic, I have seen what the inside of the induction system looks like after a couple hundred thousand miles. Last time I looked inside an intake on a high mileage vehicle, there was at least a quarter inch thick residue of an oily gooey sludge. I'm surprised the vehicle could even breathe. Although its possible that crap got in there by other means, the vast majority had to have been deposited there by the PCV system returning blow-by products and oil vapor back to the induction system for re-combustion. In my opinion, much of that crap can be greatly reduced with a catch can.
Its been pointed out many times that no manufacturer installs them, so they aren't necessary. True, because they are absolutely unnecessary for the longevity of the engine for the entire duration of a warranty period. Its the period LONG AFTER the warranty has expired that a catch can rears its benefits. Again-my opinion.
Will installing one magically make your car last a million miles with no breakdowns? Of course not. You will end up replacing brakes, hoses, belts, alternators, batteries, and the list goes on. But if you can keep the inside of the engine clean it should hopefully extend the length of time before the engine needs an expensive tear-down. Call it insurance. Does purchasing car insurance guarantee you won't have an accident...of course not. Just in the same way installing a catch can won't guarantee your engine will fail before it should. But insurance is not always a bad thing.
Me personally, its a mod I am interested in doing because of the potential valve coking issue on DI engines.
Disclaimer: Again these are just my opinions based on what little bit I have seen over the course of my life tinkering with vehicles.
-Alan
Last edited by FirebirdTN; 05-27-2016 at 11:12 AM.
05-27-2016, 11:17 AM
#477
Senior Member
Not that anyone gives a rat's behind, but since we are sharing opinions, I'll share mine, which isn't likely to be favored by anyone, pro or against CCs:
There are two kinds of vehicle buyers:
1) Those that purchase vehicles that keep them for a few years then trade them in on something else.
2) Those that purchase vehicles and keep them until the wheels fall off.
In my OPINION, catch cans will not benefit the first group what-so-ever. However, they will greatly benefit the second group:
I am not a mechanic by trade, BUT as a fair "shade tree" mechanic, I have seen what the inside of the induction system looks like after a couple hundred thousand miles. Last time I looked inside an intake on a high mileage vehicle, there was at least a quarter inch thick residue of an oily gooey sludge. I'm surprised the vehicle could even breathe. Although its possible that crap got in there by other means, the vast majority had to have been deposited there by the PCV system returning blow-by products and oil vapor back to the induction system for re-combustion. In my opinion, much of that crap can be greatly reduced with a catch can.
Its been pointed out many times that no manufacturer installs them, so they aren't necessary. True, because they are absolutely unnecessary for the longevity of the engine for the entire duration of a warranty period. Its the period LONG AFTER the warranty has expired that a catch can rears its benefits. Again-my opinion.
Will installing one magically make your car last a million miles with no breakdowns? Of course not. You will end up replacing brakes, hoses, belts, alternators, batteries, and the list goes on. But if you can keep the inside of the engine clean it should hopefully extend the length of time before the engine needs an expensive tear-down. Call it insurance. Does purchasing car insurance guarantee you won't have an accident...of course not. Just in the same way installing a catch can won't guarantee your engine will fail before it should. But insurance is not always a bad thing.
Me personally, its a mod I am interested in doing because of the potential valve coking issue on DI engines.
Disclaimer: Again these are just my opinions based on what little bit I have seen over the course of my life tinkering with vehicles.
-Alan
There are two kinds of vehicle buyers:
1) Those that purchase vehicles that keep them for a few years then trade them in on something else.
2) Those that purchase vehicles and keep them until the wheels fall off.
In my OPINION, catch cans will not benefit the first group what-so-ever. However, they will greatly benefit the second group:
I am not a mechanic by trade, BUT as a fair "shade tree" mechanic, I have seen what the inside of the induction system looks like after a couple hundred thousand miles. Last time I looked inside an intake on a high mileage vehicle, there was at least a quarter inch thick residue of an oily gooey sludge. I'm surprised the vehicle could even breathe. Although its possible that crap got in there by other means, the vast majority had to have been deposited there by the PCV system returning blow-by products and oil vapor back to the induction system for re-combustion. In my opinion, much of that crap can be greatly reduced with a catch can.
Its been pointed out many times that no manufacturer installs them, so they aren't necessary. True, because they are absolutely unnecessary for the longevity of the engine for the entire duration of a warranty period. Its the period LONG AFTER the warranty has expired that a catch can rears its benefits. Again-my opinion.
Will installing one magically make your car last a million miles with no breakdowns? Of course not. You will end up replacing brakes, hoses, belts, alternators, batteries, and the list goes on. But if you can keep the inside of the engine clean it should hopefully extend the length of time before the engine needs an expensive tear-down. Call it insurance. Does purchasing car insurance guarantee you won't have an accident...of course not. Just in the same way installing a catch can won't guarantee your engine will fail before it should. But insurance is not always a bad thing.
Me personally, its a mod I am interested in doing because of the potential valve coking issue on DI engines.
Disclaimer: Again these are just my opinions based on what little bit I have seen over the course of my life tinkering with vehicles.
-Alan
I have seen the same thing you have seen in tearing down high mileage engines! Not clear if it is from PCV vapors, or from the EGR system. One thing I know for sure, there has never been any long term testing of catch cans to see how effective they are. The other thing I know is once they get hot, condensation stops, and the combustion vapors flow right into the intake!
05-27-2016, 11:32 AM
#478
Not that anyone gives a rat's behind, but since we are sharing opinions, I'll share mine, which isn't likely to be favored by anyone, pro or against CCs:
There are two kinds of vehicle buyers:
1) Those that purchase vehicles that keep them for a few years then trade them in on something else.
2) Those that purchase vehicles and keep them until the wheels fall off.
In my OPINION, catch cans will not benefit the first group what-so-ever. However, they will greatly benefit the second group:
I am not a mechanic by trade, BUT as a fair "shade tree" mechanic, I have seen what the inside of the induction system looks like after a couple hundred thousand miles. Last time I looked inside an intake on a high mileage vehicle, there was at least a quarter inch thick residue of an oily gooey sludge. I'm surprised the vehicle could even breathe. Although its possible that crap got in there by other means, the vast majority had to have been deposited there by the PCV system returning blow-by products and oil vapor back to the induction system for re-combustion. In my opinion, much of that crap can be greatly reduced with a catch can.
Its been pointed out many times that no manufacturer installs them, so they aren't necessary. True, because they are absolutely unnecessary for the longevity of the engine for the entire duration of a warranty period. Its the period LONG AFTER the warranty has expired that a catch can rears its benefits. Again-my opinion.
Will installing one magically make your car last a million miles with no breakdowns? Of course not. You will end up replacing brakes, hoses, belts, alternators, batteries, and the list goes on. But if you can keep the inside of the engine clean it should hopefully extend the length of time before the engine needs an expensive tear-down. Call it insurance. Does purchasing car insurance guarantee you won't have an accident...of course not. Just in the same way installing a catch can won't guarantee your engine will fail before it should. But insurance is not always a bad thing.
Me personally, its a mod I am interested in doing because of the potential valve coking issue on DI engines.
Disclaimer: Again these are just my opinions based on what little bit I have seen over the course of my life tinkering with vehicles.
-Alan
There are two kinds of vehicle buyers:
1) Those that purchase vehicles that keep them for a few years then trade them in on something else.
2) Those that purchase vehicles and keep them until the wheels fall off.
In my OPINION, catch cans will not benefit the first group what-so-ever. However, they will greatly benefit the second group:
I am not a mechanic by trade, BUT as a fair "shade tree" mechanic, I have seen what the inside of the induction system looks like after a couple hundred thousand miles. Last time I looked inside an intake on a high mileage vehicle, there was at least a quarter inch thick residue of an oily gooey sludge. I'm surprised the vehicle could even breathe. Although its possible that crap got in there by other means, the vast majority had to have been deposited there by the PCV system returning blow-by products and oil vapor back to the induction system for re-combustion. In my opinion, much of that crap can be greatly reduced with a catch can.
Its been pointed out many times that no manufacturer installs them, so they aren't necessary. True, because they are absolutely unnecessary for the longevity of the engine for the entire duration of a warranty period. Its the period LONG AFTER the warranty has expired that a catch can rears its benefits. Again-my opinion.
Will installing one magically make your car last a million miles with no breakdowns? Of course not. You will end up replacing brakes, hoses, belts, alternators, batteries, and the list goes on. But if you can keep the inside of the engine clean it should hopefully extend the length of time before the engine needs an expensive tear-down. Call it insurance. Does purchasing car insurance guarantee you won't have an accident...of course not. Just in the same way installing a catch can won't guarantee your engine will fail before it should. But insurance is not always a bad thing.
Me personally, its a mod I am interested in doing because of the potential valve coking issue on DI engines.
Disclaimer: Again these are just my opinions based on what little bit I have seen over the course of my life tinkering with vehicles.
-Alan
05-27-2016, 11:37 AM
#479
Senior Member
Alan, I appreciate your opinion!
I have seen the same thing you have seen in tearing down high mileage engines! Not clear if it is from PCV vapors, or from the EGR system. One thing I know for sure, there has never been any long term testing of catch cans to see how effective they are. The other thing I know is once they get hot, condensation stops, and the combustion vapors flow right into the intake!
I have seen the same thing you have seen in tearing down high mileage engines! Not clear if it is from PCV vapors, or from the EGR system. One thing I know for sure, there has never been any long term testing of catch cans to see how effective they are. The other thing I know is once they get hot, condensation stops, and the combustion vapors flow right into the intake!
Crusader!
