engineermike

I know at least a couple of things about the diesel market...that they like a lot of displacement and they like cummins. Dodge ruined that for themselves and handed it over to Nissan.

If a 2.7tt picks up 50 hp/100 ftlb with a tune (the 3.5tt gains upwards of 75 hp/150 ft lb) then the 3.0 diesel will be starting with a 130 hp/50ftlb deficit to overcome before even breaking even. It has a loooong way to go before "destroying" anything. Just keep in mind it's less than half the displacement of its 3/4 ton counterparts and starts with only 240 hp. Just 60 more hp and its already at 100hp/liter and it would have to be well over 150 hp/liter before it "destroys" any tune-only gas tt ford. That would be the equivalent of a 1000+ hp modern 3/4 ton.

LastResort

The ricer argument: This vehicle + xxx dollars = better than that OEM vehicle. The trucks come stock from the factory, and the vast majority will stay that way. Neither exist yet, so speculating on power increases, after a mythical tune, is foolish. Lots of people believe that 3.5TT has more potential in it, if fueling is solve, but guess what? It's not yet.

papa tiger

Maybe the 3.5L non turbo will get much attention but the trans will be weaker ?

Bible

pretty sure you can order a 3.0 diesel now.

diesel engines require a lot more maintenance than a regular gas engine, DEF, fuel filters, more expensive fuel that is not at every gas station etc.

For the average small truck buyer a gas engine is best. The durability aspect is void because people trade the trucks in after 3-5 years and under 100k miles. Usually without doing the recommended maintenance because a fuel filter change is 100 dollars and the payment comes first.

my uncle's 1986 chevy truck lasted 752,000 miles before he traded it in. original engine, tranny etc the only thing he did was maintenance. His current 09 has nearly 200k now.

papa tiger

Nice picture of the 2.7L close up. Cam springs and oil cooler also.


http://www.f150online.com/wp-content...oost_02_HR.jpg

lundgrener02

I'll agree with this in part that people will buy the Ram purely because it is a Diesel and they want a Diesel and will not trust the reliability of a small twin turbo gasser.

Having said that I am not sold on the idea that the Ram Ecodiesle will Destroy it modded. I realize that diesels can make some crazy power with a tune, but with the standards on diesel equipment now days I doubt anyone will be doing more than a tuner on the Ecodiesel and that will likely be with the DPF on and that will likely severely limit their ability to make big power. The Diesel loyalists that want to make the big power will continue to buy the big trucks with the big motors that can make upwards of 500 hp on a tune with a DPF delete. I just don't think the market will be that high for Ecodiesel tuning so not many companies will be putting out products for it besides a street legal tuner.

Also the power that livernois makes with their 3.5 Ecoboost tune is very impressive, so its possible a tune on the Ecodiesel with the EPA stuff on it will not produce much more than what a 2.7 Ecoboost with a tune will.

I could be wrong, time will only tell.

ztruk8

no more big v-8? can't wait to see the numbers on these new engines

iFord

Thanks for that 2.7 Ecoboost photo, papa. Where's the oil filter that's on the top, easy to change? I read about that. So it's true.

engineermike

Let me also point out that Chevy put a diesel in half tons for years and nobody bought them. Why? Because it didn't make much power and the mileage wasn't much better than the gassers. The very same can be said about the 240 hp 3.0 dodge. The mileage improvement over the 305 hp gas v6 doesn't even offset the higher fuel price.

k7Gixxer

I've never seen anybody buy a diesel and not put a chip in, so yes I'm assuming that everybody who cares about speed will buy one, and yes i think it'll have a huge following just because it's a diesel. Didn't know ecoboost fanboys were so sensitive.