Curmudgeon

Re: your first sentence. Did I say that? Damn, regardless of how many times I read my post, I can't read that into what I stated.


Re: your edit. I can't relate to Velosters subsequent to my 2012 or those residing in climates that contributed to some owner's issues. I've had a 10-minute reflash of my tranny. Regardless of brand, model, year of production, all vehicles are subject to continuing TSBs to address issues (hopefully avoiding recalls involving safety). A TSB is not a recall, contrary to the popular ignorance of semantics. Commonly, TSBs (and recalls) continue throughout a model's life and then, start all over with a 1st-year model release. There's no end to that process...thankfully, responsible manufacturers address most issues. It's not a perfect world...recent GM upper echelon ethics has demonstrated that.

ZBoater

I know, and that's my point about first year models. Introducing a new model many times involves new products and processes, and there's always bound to be bugs. These get identified and corrected in subsequent years. It's just a fact.

Now, is the 2014 F-150 free of bugs? Of course not. But this is the last year of the 12 generation. I think the 2014 is a better model than the 2009 (1st model year of the 12 generation) because Ford has fixed problems that have cropped up over 5 years.

Is it possible for newer models to have even more problems? Of course. But, as a general rule, problems are identified in the first model year, and fixed in subsequent model years. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect many of those problems to have been fixed by the last model year.

That is not a myth.

Therefore, good luck to all the 2015 F150 buyers. It's the thirteenth generation. I'm sure it will be a great truck. I'll stick to my myth and get the 2018 or 2019 model. Many bugs will have been identified and fixed, and rebates are bound to be better.

Derodeo

Because of the pressure to simply bring it to market, a first year model doesn't generally suffer from the ruthless cost cutting the manufacturer exerts upon each and every parts supplier to constantly lower their costs so that the manufacturer will realize increasing profits during a vehicle's selling lifetime. This means that there a lot of parts in a first year model that would be considered "overbuilt" in subsequent years. I would expect pretty much anyone involved in automotive parts supply can tell you that.

This is not to say there aren't ongoing improvements made during subsequent model years. That much is obvious.

All Hat No Cattle

Well, let's see. I have been on this forum since 2009, the year I took delivery on my '10.

Is it just me, or did more complaints about the 2011 and up trucks show up on this forum then on the 2009-10 models? Think Ecoboost.

And since the new tranny and other improvements won't be out until 2016 and later, well...

ZBoater

Oh well, Ecoboost is a perfect example of the truth to issues with first "releases".

Curmudgeon

That beautiful, new high tech 2.7 is doomed...DOOMED!!!

kenny908

"Z" I wouldn't buy a 2015 either,......especially If I had just bought a new truck the year before.

goose2

I just purchased a 2014 because of the at least a $10,000 difference in price and the 2015 will have quite few growing pains in its first year. We are all used to rebates and the 2015 will not have any stock first but you can bet your *** that if there sales are down for any reason you will see rebates come quick. It all depends on the sales. Sales will be good at first but with the price increases I have been hearing it could cause things to slow quickly.

john3322

if you wish to know price in 2015 then i suggest you the link
http://www.newcarreviewsusa.com/2014...n-concept-mpg/

StonedGreen

I don't think this applies to all cars, but I think it's dead on for the F150