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09-16-2014, 12:54 PM
#101
Support farmers? Apparently you haven't noticed but the small 160 acre farmers area as rare as hens teeth these days. Supporting farmers is no longer optional, we are forced to do so with gas prices. The majority of corn producers are now corporate mega farms.
Several years ago a local paper ran an article about alcohol production. The point was brought home by an interview with a local train crew which serviced the alcohol plant. They would pull in 10 cars of fuel oil, pull out 8 carloads of alcohol with two empties. Over and over again. The fuel oil had twice the energy per gallon of the alcohol. So do the math if you need to understand this boondoggle.
You wonder why we pay nearly $4 per gallon? Government intervention and "Renewable" sources is why. Just imagine a present day economy if gasoline would cost even $2 per gallon. The money that would stay in folks pockets. Imagine the jobs that would still be there if we had that cash to purchase goods and services. Not to mention put food on the table without the need for food stamps and welfare. Groceries would be much more affordable as the cost of higher fuel for shipping every food item is added directly to the price. It goes on and on. This is what the liberal progressive movement has brought us. A nation on welfare!
The green movement and renewable energy is a hidden cancer on this country. Hopefully somebody will come along and wake us all up to that.
Several years ago a local paper ran an article about alcohol production. The point was brought home by an interview with a local train crew which serviced the alcohol plant. They would pull in 10 cars of fuel oil, pull out 8 carloads of alcohol with two empties. Over and over again. The fuel oil had twice the energy per gallon of the alcohol. So do the math if you need to understand this boondoggle.
You wonder why we pay nearly $4 per gallon? Government intervention and "Renewable" sources is why. Just imagine a present day economy if gasoline would cost even $2 per gallon. The money that would stay in folks pockets. Imagine the jobs that would still be there if we had that cash to purchase goods and services. Not to mention put food on the table without the need for food stamps and welfare. Groceries would be much more affordable as the cost of higher fuel for shipping every food item is added directly to the price. It goes on and on. This is what the liberal progressive movement has brought us. A nation on welfare!
The green movement and renewable energy is a hidden cancer on this country. Hopefully somebody will come along and wake us all up to that.
09-16-2014, 11:38 PM
#102
Renewable energy is a cancer on this country? That's quite a broad statement
Yeah, I'm definitely on f150forum
I'm not saying ethanol is good for anything, but you've gone a bit far there..
Thanks for simplifying the price of gas by blaming it on "government intervention and renewable sources"
"This is what the liberal progressive movement has brought us. A nation on welfare!"
Yes, I'm definitely on f150forum!
Try the "All Things Political" thread in offtopic, it's a big echo chamber in there. They're looking for the fresh take on things that you offer
Yeah, I'm definitely on f150forum
I'm not saying ethanol is good for anything, but you've gone a bit far there..
Thanks for simplifying the price of gas by blaming it on "government intervention and renewable sources"
"This is what the liberal progressive movement has brought us. A nation on welfare!"
Yes, I'm definitely on f150forum!
Try the "All Things Political" thread in offtopic, it's a big echo chamber in there. They're looking for the fresh take on things that you offer
Last edited by Ftruck150; 09-16-2014 at 11:41 PM.
09-17-2014, 03:30 AM
#103
It sure is. The government has taxed the hell out of gasoline and other petroleum fuels. Al Gores pet project to formulate a different gas for every state rose prices by .40 a gal. alone. Not to mention the enormous amount of money this ethanol crap and the oxy- additive has cost the American public fixing cars, boats, motorcycles, lawn mowers, chainsaws, trimmers etc......... and the gas treatment we all have to use to stop this crap from ruining our gasoline powered equipment and vehicles every day.
Gas is here to stay for a long time. There's far more petroleum and natural gas in the earth than anyone ever thought and it sure as hell isn't causing the climate to change. Natural cyclical climate change has been here since there's been a climate, it's always changing. "Man-cause" climate change is a myth and part of an agenda to rid America of the US constitution and install Socialism in it's place which is happening as we speak. The trader in office now is doing everything he and his administration can to destroy everything that is/was good about America and replace it with Marxist Socialism which he is a longtime student of "spread the wealth around", redistribution, Obamacare.. All failed ideas that have never and will never work! Fact!
If we took all this crap out of our fuel, went back to a summer and winter mix, built the Keystone pipeline, opened more refineries, cut excessive EPA regulations and lowered taxes on fuel. Gas would be very cheap and the US economy would be flourishing. That won't happen till we get a conservative strict constitutionalist in office that follows the vision are founders planned and carefully wrote down for us to follow (still the law of the land). The very thing that made us once, the greatest nation on earth. We can be again if people wake-up and stop listening to liberal propaganda, stop the indoctrination of it to our kids in virtually all of our countries school systems and colleges, put an end to the overwhelming mainstream liberally owned and operated news media in favor of fair and balanced news, get rid of political correctness, shrink government on all levels, strengthen our military that's been eviscerated, lock down our borders and expel all illegal aliens and get back to legal immigration where people come to America though a legal process and assimilate to "our culture", the great American melting pot, not the multicultural land of free stuff and tax payer paid free benefits to those who never worked for it, then we could once again have opportunity for any American that's willing to work for it and achieve their dreams.
Gas is here to stay for a long time. There's far more petroleum and natural gas in the earth than anyone ever thought and it sure as hell isn't causing the climate to change. Natural cyclical climate change has been here since there's been a climate, it's always changing. "Man-cause" climate change is a myth and part of an agenda to rid America of the US constitution and install Socialism in it's place which is happening as we speak. The trader in office now is doing everything he and his administration can to destroy everything that is/was good about America and replace it with Marxist Socialism which he is a longtime student of "spread the wealth around", redistribution, Obamacare.. All failed ideas that have never and will never work! Fact!
If we took all this crap out of our fuel, went back to a summer and winter mix, built the Keystone pipeline, opened more refineries, cut excessive EPA regulations and lowered taxes on fuel. Gas would be very cheap and the US economy would be flourishing. That won't happen till we get a conservative strict constitutionalist in office that follows the vision are founders planned and carefully wrote down for us to follow (still the law of the land). The very thing that made us once, the greatest nation on earth. We can be again if people wake-up and stop listening to liberal propaganda, stop the indoctrination of it to our kids in virtually all of our countries school systems and colleges, put an end to the overwhelming mainstream liberally owned and operated news media in favor of fair and balanced news, get rid of political correctness, shrink government on all levels, strengthen our military that's been eviscerated, lock down our borders and expel all illegal aliens and get back to legal immigration where people come to America though a legal process and assimilate to "our culture", the great American melting pot, not the multicultural land of free stuff and tax payer paid free benefits to those who never worked for it, then we could once again have opportunity for any American that's willing to work for it and achieve their dreams.
Last edited by Tractive55LS; 09-17-2014 at 04:06 AM.
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09-17-2014, 05:10 AM
#104
Support farmers? Apparently you haven't noticed but the small 160 acre farmers area as rare as hens teeth these days. Supporting farmers is no longer optional, we are forced to do so with gas prices. The majority of corn producers are now corporate mega farms.
Several years ago a local paper ran an article about alcohol production. The point was brought home by an interview with a local train crew which serviced the alcohol plant. They would pull in 10 cars of fuel oil, pull out 8 carloads of alcohol with two empties. Over and over again. The fuel oil had twice the energy per gallon of the alcohol. So do the math if you need to understand this boondoggle.
You wonder why we pay nearly $4 per gallon? Government intervention and "Renewable" sources is why. Just imagine a present day economy if gasoline would cost even $2 per gallon. The money that would stay in folks pockets. Imagine the jobs that would still be there if we had that cash to purchase goods and services. Not to mention put food on the table without the need for food stamps and welfare. Groceries would be much more affordable as the cost of higher fuel for shipping every food item is added directly to the price. It goes on and on. This is what the liberal progressive movement has brought us. A nation on welfare!
The green movement and renewable energy is a hidden cancer on this country. Hopefully somebody will come along and wake us all up to that.
Several years ago a local paper ran an article about alcohol production. The point was brought home by an interview with a local train crew which serviced the alcohol plant. They would pull in 10 cars of fuel oil, pull out 8 carloads of alcohol with two empties. Over and over again. The fuel oil had twice the energy per gallon of the alcohol. So do the math if you need to understand this boondoggle.
You wonder why we pay nearly $4 per gallon? Government intervention and "Renewable" sources is why. Just imagine a present day economy if gasoline would cost even $2 per gallon. The money that would stay in folks pockets. Imagine the jobs that would still be there if we had that cash to purchase goods and services. Not to mention put food on the table without the need for food stamps and welfare. Groceries would be much more affordable as the cost of higher fuel for shipping every food item is added directly to the price. It goes on and on. This is what the liberal progressive movement has brought us. A nation on welfare!
The green movement and renewable energy is a hidden cancer on this country. Hopefully somebody will come along and wake us all up to that.
09-17-2014, 10:43 AM
#105
Senior Member
Where else but here
Renewable energy is a cancer on this country? That's quite a broad statement
Yeah, I'm definitely on f150forum
I'm not saying ethanol is good for anything, but you've gone a bit far there..
Thanks for simplifying the price of gas by blaming it on "government intervention and renewable sources"
"This is what the liberal progressive movement has brought us. A nation on welfare!"
Yes, I'm definitely on f150forum!
Try the "All Things Political" thread in offtopic, it's a big echo chamber in there. They're looking for the fresh take on things that you offer
Yeah, I'm definitely on f150forum
I'm not saying ethanol is good for anything, but you've gone a bit far there..
Thanks for simplifying the price of gas by blaming it on "government intervention and renewable sources"
"This is what the liberal progressive movement has brought us. A nation on welfare!"
Yes, I'm definitely on f150forum!
Try the "All Things Political" thread in offtopic, it's a big echo chamber in there. They're looking for the fresh take on things that you offer
This thread was about diesels. The plus and minuses of owning and operating them. What better place to discuss the future of light trucks and why they have become so expensive? The unelected government agencies have taken dead aim at this category of vehicle. In the near future auto makers will require trucks to comply with mileage standards equal to cars. Which in the broad sense they probably should. That is if you buy into the green movement to start with and I doubt very much that many on this site do.
The point is, they (government agencies) set arbitrary standards and regulations. They have little or no regard for the cost as they would just as soon see all of us driving a Prius. The new Fords will touch the $70k mark according to the local Ford dealer. Ford did not decide to build vehicles out of Aluminum so us boys could easily participate in recycling our beer cans. They did it to meet the new "mandated" standards.
Perhaps you are in the beginning of your career with freshly minted degree earning a six figure income that allows you to spend $70k on a new truck and $4 per gallon for diesel, but most of us are not. Nor are many capable of paying $4 per gallon to get us to work and back. So, the lovable truck sooner or later will give way to the used Prius in the driveway.
I was not intending to be political, but when discussing light trucks and ownership costs it is unavoidable. Diesel fuel used to be cheap. The government decided to remove the sulfur and price doubled overnight. Then came the re-burn systems and the mileage took another hit. Not to mention the juice you have to run though it. Clean idle standards. And they always intended to get green with the addition of soy bean oil so those farmers can get their share. Imagine what the cost increase of that will be? If you can't see how all of this effects you everyday life, well perhaps it is you that should stick to your "All Things Political" page.
If I had it my way, folks on this site would pay more attention to these issues and less arguing and bashing of others choice of truck brands.