Jeffyk

I didn't read all the pages but doesn't anyone think they may put the new voodoo motor in it? Suppose to be a 5.2 NA with 500+ horsepower. Rumor is it is for the new gt350 mustang coming out. May have a flat plane crank in it. Unless they work out filtration on the ecoboosts, if your in the dirt or sand, you are going to be always changing air filters.

packplantpath

Pretty sure the airboxes are the same on every model f150. Filtration is also the same. Downstream the turbo application has more connections that can leak, but that is minor if connected properly.

Jeffyk

I meant cause the turbos use a lot more air, not so much the airboxes or connections. Early on, that was a reason why the Ecoboost wasn't used in the raptor. The one they ran in the baja, they changed the air filter often through out the race. It wouldn't be an issue if you don't play in the sand or dust very much.

LastResort

I'm going to be honest, I'm pretty skeptical of this claim. The ecoboost runs at about 1ATM of boost, making the 3.5 L engine function as a 7.0L motor. Because we can't change the Stoich ratio of a gas engine, you're looking at about 12% more air (completely neglecting in efficiencies, losses, etc) vs. a 6.2L. I just don't see that as "significant". I find it more likely that the Raptor with the 6.2 had the same filter changes during the run, or simply had an airbox designed to provide more surface area on the filter medium.

BlacknTan2

Just read the MT article on the 5.2, they're saying 600 hp and 430 pound ft of tq NA. Sounds awesome if they can get the bugs worked out.

TheWooginator

Where exactly are you seeing this? I live in FoCo and they sell like hotcakes. Not that I'm interested or anything....

TurboSalsa

I've seen all this drama before - when BMW first announced the new M3/4 was going to have a turbo 6 rather than the V8. There was great wailing and gnashing of teeth about how BMW was losing its identity, that M cars should always have a bespoke, naturally aspirated engine that was not shared with other models. Many people also claimed they would not be buying the new one because of the engine BMW had chosen. Sound familiar?

People act as though buying these cars means they have a say in the development of future models. The thing is, both the M3 and the Raptor, though having other applications, are meant to be sold in volume and driven daily. The 10% of owners who bother to take to the forums and say they don't care about fuel economy or price are drowned out by the 90% of owners who drive them daily and do care about that stuff.

Both Ford and BMW saw the legislative writing on the wall and realized they'd be stupid to build cars that got **** poor fuel economy to please the vocal 10% of owners. I'm not saying I love the trend of downsized, turbo/DI engines (even though I own an EB), but that's the way the market is headed, whether we like it or not. Car companies are just adapting to survive.

ZBoater

So should we expect a Corvette v6 and a Mustang Cobra v6 soon?

ClaySlayer

I'm sure it won't happen but would be sweet if they just upgraded the 6.2 to about 500hp/500tq for Raptor only use.

LastResort

Look, the reality is that reliable, high output is what wins races. And what wins races is what sells vehicle (or so every race team claims). For a long, long time, that was associated with a certain format(driven by rules to reinforce what was available on the showroom floor). Based on that format, people made purchases. This is all despite the fact that the V8 in the race car has almost no relation to their V8 in their daily driver, but it made them happy in their ignorant view of the world, **** understanding of technolgy, and amature wrenching tallents.

Now we have new technologies that offer new benefits, and these are changing the platform. And those people who mistake the format for the performance are upset. They wail. They gnash their teeth. They wet their diaper. They write strongly worded OpEds, form posts, and blog entries. And they are. Totally. Irrelevant. They may be a lost purchase or two, but they are an ignorant mass of consumers who would always find some reason to complain about improved performance of the new vehicle. Why? Because it simply changed the format, and it made them feel uncomfortable about their position in life. Those that can't understand the actual technical merits of the that platform simply attached significance to it's appearance, and started praise those features. They told their friends. They proselytize to their colleagues, their neighbor, their dental hygienist, and the mailman: "the V8 is the best thing that has ever happened and will happen." ****. Has. Moved. On.

But the only thing that is constant is change. AFters 30 years of advocating the church of the holy V8, now they've got to get a V6 in some high performance trims. Couple this with an inferiority complex, no ability to understand the technical advantages of the the modern induced engine, and their child like understanding of technology: how can they defend their purchase at the bar, the barber, and the dentist? Manufacturers who court that group are circling the drain. Oh sure, they may sell a ton of high markup vehicles to a bunch of balding old men in suits for a period of time. But the smart ones understand the short sighted nature of that sale: they can do it only for a generation, as the next few generation watch. They will see that their dad, their uncle, their grandfather were bilked for a bill of goods based on a legacy of performance so irrelevant as to be immeasurable. Congrats you bought the ****ty knock off of a 30 year old design, and can't even post numbers worth discussion without doubling the cost of vehicle and getting the "Race pack".

However, if they can impress the multiple child, their friends, and cousins of that bald, old, man, they have a future of relevance. Do you really think that my son will care if the Mustang GT comes with a V8? He probably will care about technology that I can't even imagine right now.

So yes. I think you can. In the next 5 years I expect both of those will be offered in a high output V6 format of one variety or the other. in 10 years, they will only be available on V6. Why get hung up on what's under the hood, when it's much more important what happens on the board?