Mgronda

Wow...I don't know where to start with this, but you obviously don't know how much below MRSP people are buying the F150 for. I paid $6940 less than MRSP for my Lariat. Clearly you are struggling with just the pricing of what people are paying for the F150, as well as lacking making a thorough and accurate comparison. Needless to say, your analysis is seriously flawed because of such inconclusive, biased information you use - conjecture! It is no wonder you think the Tundra is a better truck. Hey, I can leave out a lot of things, make false claims and make a truck better than any other truck. But truth is all what matters. And to set the record straight, the only trucks I came across that were close to the F150 were the Silverado and Dodge Ram. Tundra lagged so far behind that it wasn't even mentioned. It is no wonder why there at so many fewer Tundras sold. That in itself speaks volumes. But carry on, you are gaining traction, that is...solidifying people's confidence in their decision in buying the F150. I for sure am feeling much better that I bought the F150. Thanks for your help.

MG

WestsydeGuy

The f150 is the best selling truck.
Has been for decades.
Too bad the tundra is so unrespected they cannot even manage to sell 1 for every 50 F150s sold.
Mine was sure not trouble free either.
Bought it new, kept it just 2 years.
9 trips to the dealer for problems in 2 years is not a good truck IMO.

1RobW

You're just making excuses. I showed the (American) pricing of the 2 already and considering your 4k or so negotiation, it is clear the pricing is within hundreds, generally speaking, NOT thousands by any means.

Your price comparison isn't apples to apples. Not to say the Tundra isn't less expensive for what you wanted and got, but it's not as high as you said.

I just looked on Ford Canada and "built" a 2015 standard cab long bed 5L 4X4 w/ tow pkg... $41,131.00 including taxes. Did your $32,500 price include taxes? That's the only way, even in Canada, where 4X4 ads like 6k to the price, you'll get close to 10k difference. Before taxes, the price was something like $35,299. That said, the "same" Tundra SR5 has an MSRP of $34,533.08 in AB... a difference of $765.92 not including taxes and delivery. Including those, $38.533.08

That's a difference of $2,597.92 w/ the caveat ... the $4,000 rebate is very specific to cash sales only. If you finance, you don't qualify... by the listing, anyway. Even adding in your $4,000 rebate, the difference is only $6,597.92 ... not 10k and that's paying full MSRP for the Ford.

Further, the F150 is unquestionably the better truck and not just on paper, but test after test after test, the F150 always beats the Tundra. The F150 is also a more advanced pickup. When comparably equipped(leaving OUT many available features on the F150 you can't get on any Toyota), the pricing is directly in line and the F150 is still the better truck. I do really like that "old school" rear drop down window available on the Tunrda(1794 Edition, at least).

Regardless, there's no 8-10k price difference according to the manufacturers and that was the point from many of us.

I agree, there's simply no reality or truth to the idea that a comparably equipped F150 cost 8k more than a Tundra. That kind of difference only happens in rebates and negotiation, not general pricing, ever. Locally:

$32,340 = F150 5L long bed, 4X4 standard cab
$32,070 = Tundra 5.7L long bed 4X4 standard cab

$270 difference. That's hardly 8k in the real world.

Tundra -$33,165 delivered
F150 -$33,535 delivered

$370 difference. Again, hardly 8k and I'm sorry, but I simply do not believe that difference exists, even in Canada.

1RobW

That is funny... y'all.

OWIE! heh, I didn't know all that, but I think it could've been guessed easily enough because he's clearly searching for reasons to disparage the F150, even against a truck it trounces in essentially every category that matters to a pickup owner.

I don't think it's necessarily drugs. It could be utter ignorance or passionate love for a brand which has a great name regardless actual abilities. It could be hatred for the better model... just sayin' ... could be more than that 1 thing causing them to be so irrational.

Ford is having trouble keeping up with demand, widely known already.

I look at it that the difference is indeed felt in your wallet and ... you'll be feeling it till you get out of that gas guzzling Tundra and get into something capable of decent economy. I also look at it from the simple angle that you did not shop for an F150, period. You looked up some prices, but it's more than a little apparent, you never had any intention or desire to buy a 2015 F150. The on I wanted was 50k and I chose a 40k 2014 model instead and I won't "settle" for just some pickup, which you did.

Further, if you're on the limits of the towing and or payload in your 1/2 ton, you should've thought of safety and gotten a 3/4 ton... but Toy doesn't make one. You could've easily gotten an F250 in that price range. MSRP for a 2015 F250 4X4 long bed standard cab is $34,605 and it's got all the pulling power and payload capacity you need, plus is designed and built to tow more, safely.

Like I said above, you're looking for an excuse to pass on the Ford, not a reason to buy one. Had you been interested in the correct truck for the job, you could talk any dealer down to what you paid for the Tundra and you'd have had a truck far more suited for the job and which gets similar economy while offering 385hp and 405tq via 6.2L V8.

Except, of course... inferior.

'Nuff said.


... and I think we're all done here.

Matt_E_Salesman

I don't usually quote myself, but the OP seems to have missed my post completely. 4500 off MSRP (1500 delivery allowance and 3000 cash rebate) is hardly "nothing". Plus whatever you haggled off, no reason you couldn't have gotten 8,000 or so total off MSRP.

sixsax88

Bottom line, he saw the diarrhea in the litter box and decided not to step in. After owning 1 of these 2015 f150s i wouldn't buy another, some of you would. We each have our own experiences and knowledge. At some point you have to make a decision thats best for you...or that you feel is best under the circumatances. If his Toyota makes him happy thats GREAT!! Idk anyone that comes to this forum looking to avoid Ford, especially after they owned fords for decades. I can't defend the shoddy workmanship issues I have on my truck and if you have a perfect truck then wonderful... It's a gamble some people won't make. And i don't think it was out of ignorance. Argue all you want, ive seen alot in 55 years. A truck with some issues isn't life threatening (potentially) but it can strip the new car ownership joy and rid the owner of confidence in their new vehicle and the integrity of the manufacturer. It really sucks when it happens on your dime to...especially 55 grand worth of em.

jcb206

[MENTION=208675]sixsax88[/MENTION],

Yes when u get a lemon it can be very disheartening. I have owned 8 Ford trucks and 1 Ford car in the last 18 years and I had 1 lemon. I hated driving that beautiful $47k truck. It does hurt the pocket book and I looked at other brands, but only Ram seriously. Really wanted a half ton diesel. I could have bought a SuperDuty but I just didn't need one for the 10 towing trips a year. I really struggled with looking at other brands, either loyalty or everything was in the wrong place 😳. I hope everyone just loves what they drive. Whether it's a Toyota, Ram, Nissan, or whatever (except Chevy&#128519. Life is too short.

Ron AKA

Thanks guys. My ship has sailed, and it really does not matter much now. As for price the only one that counts to me is the local market. My choice was a Tundra for $32,500, drive away price, or a Ford at $43,500. Yes, the Ford price would be before any negotiated discount. However I would have to negotiate a $11,000 discount to make them comparable. Delivery on the Tundra is early June. The Ford ??? I have heard they are not even making the reg cab long box yet...


If I could have gotten the Ford for $32,500 and same delivery I would have taken it. Just wasn't happening this time around.


As for the Ford vs Toyota, I have owned 3 Fords, and this Tundra will be my third Toyota. So far the Toyotas have beaten the Fords hands down for reliability.

jsarms1

I agree that the Tundra is very dated compared to the F150, and hopefully they redesign the whole truck when they release it with a diesel in a couple years. To any bashing reliability or quality, why does it hold it's resale light years above the competition? This is according to every value guide out there like KBB,NADA,Edmunds

News in

Toyota definitely has the reputation for reliability. Whether that reputation is deserved with the newer models and the Tundra, I don't know.

What's strange is the pricing reversal. I bought a 2013 F150 crew cab 4wd in 2013 because I could get it cheaper after discounts than a Toyota Tacoma 4wd crew. Still waiting on those $10-12k off MSRP without asking for it rebates to come back! I'd buy the Tundra if I could get it cheaper than the F150 as well. The base-ish model truck I will wind up buying will be void of a lot of the technical features offered anyway.