nihilus

It was included in the 8000 lb test and the eco was faster wth both 10k and 8k lbs.



It's not about what makes us 'feel' better it is what does a better job in the real world. Max Hp numbers are good bragging rights for 17 year old boys but most grown ups want to know what can actually tow the most and TFL has given us the only real proof. The 2.7L targets the 5.3L GM as well as the ecodiesel. Every test has shown the 5.3L to be mediocre at best for todays standards.

I am not sure if anyone here actually bought a ecoboost because of TFL.com They bought them because of the torque curve, 2011 Motor Trend TotY, and other reviews/testimonials.

The pic above you shows 2 SCREWs with 5.5' beds and OVER 700 lb difference. Probably 2x4, but nicely equipped. Screw 6.5' beds will probably shave off even more weight.

Curmudgeon

According to media reports & Ford statements, both Lariats at the Dearborn weigh-in were 4X4 models.

jeep364

2014 4x4 lariat crew 5.0 vs 2015 4x4 lariat crew 2.7

nihilus

4x4 crew cab seems to be the truck that most people get. There is not a huge difference in weight between the 2.7tt and 5.0. Weight savings should still be very close to 700 lbs. IF they make a 157" or 163" WB, weight savings will be even more. Heavy Duty F-150's will rival F-250s in payload IF they make them.

Of course it would be nice to see aluminum next-gen super duty trucks with 5.4TT engines based of the new 2.7TT

Mr Truck

Did TFL do a manual gear shift up the hill to the red line of each gear for each truck? The answer is NO so how on earth do you think it was a real test? again the GM sat in 3rd gear when called to 2nd it quickly gained speed. If you added more weight to the GM and kept the same weight on the Ford the GM would have won but guess what it was barely working while the others were in 1st and 2nd. I can't understand how you can come to this conclusion without any knowledge of what gear they were in. The torque curves of the Eco-boost and the 2014 6.2l have almost the same pattern the 2014 is using VVT to achieve this.
Agin I'm sure the video makes you feel better and that's good but does not cut it with actual numbers. I like feel good stories myself but will not be inclined to purchase based on a truck full of clowns and not engineers. The GM 6.2l is more powerful ANYWHERE and I hope ford does something about it. Man gotta love your sprit.



This is a pretty damn good looking HP and torque to me I am looking for the Echoboost and will attach when I find it.

nemosdad

Mr Truck, if they had held whatever gear the Chev needed to accelerate, it would have run out of gear. There simply was no more power to be had in that gear before it shifted.

As for which truck was working hard, look again. The Ford rarely shifted and was at a lower rpm for the vast majority of time. The Chev had to scream near the top of its rpm band often.

Paper power is fine for some. Others like to see how that power translates into real usage.

Mr Truck

So you are calling it a real test without any manual shifting? I never saw the tach of the GM anywhere near 6300 rpm where it's red line is did you? Because if the answer is no than the truck still had a lot of power left sorry this is just to funny am I the only one here that can admit this is not a real test? Is it because it is a Ford? I love these conversations by the way but I am not going to say it won just because it is a Ford. This was not a real test not without manual shifting to redline. Are there any other engineers on this site that understand what I am saying? Wow

Bosro

Wether you think it was a real test is irrelevant.
What is tho is that I bet the majority of people towing nowadays don't manually shift nothing
They let the truck do the thinking and working.
I'd say this is a guarantee.
So maybe this is more of a real test than you think.....it gives you exactly how the truck reacts with a human just stomping on it.

Mr Truck

Ok based on that thinking they should have added more weight only to the GM because it is more capable towing wise according to TFL. And in doing so the GM would have worked harder like the others were and would have been in a lower gear like the others and would have beat them up the hill hauling more weight.Am I wrong???this is great stuff this is the reason the test is flawed. Are there any engineers in the room? Please speak now this is killing me!! This is the greatest thread I have ever been on!

nihilus

I feel like you just had a seizure during the last post, but I will try anyway.

It is VERY clear that you didn't actually watch the videos. As said before, most don't actually manually shift, and given your own dyno, max hp is at 5600 rpm. When the truck did downshift to lower gear, there was that much gained back. Do you really want to manually shift to red line with a $45k truck going up every hill anyways?

The Ford won by a full minute. This is A LOT of time to make up even with your 'Fast & the Furious' shifting method.