2015 Catch-Can Setups
01-15-2015, 04:17 PM
#11
Senior Member
i have read abut these catch cans and im new to the ecoboost as well. I find it hard to believe I just paid 45+ thou on a vehicle that needs a mod right away to keep it from choking in a few thousand miles. if that's the case ill get rid of it right now. in the gun world its like spending 1000 or more on a 1911 and you need to grind and polish the feed ramp so it doesn't jam. the old man has always cleaned intake components every now and then. im not bashing on anyone, I just find it silly that its a "need" in order for it to run. is that the case?
01-15-2015, 05:32 PM
#12
Senior Member
There are lengthy threads on this forum about catch cans; which work the best and the symptoms that indicate why you might need one. I'm convinced it is a very good idea to have a high quality catch can installed on a direct injection, forced induction engine especially one with a poorly designed PCV system like the Ford ecoboost (prior to 2015 at least). Some collect astonishing amounts of very nasty concoctions (primarily oil, fuel and water) that would otherwise be ingested into the engine causing among other things intercooler contamination. In addition there are presumed benefits of minimizing oil dilution and valve coking and maintaining fuel economy and power.
On the other hand, many owners do not have any problems and there is a very definite risk to any existing warranty coverage. Those who soon trade in their trucks and those with naturally aspirated engines do not need to worry so much about these issues.
Some information about catch cans I've gleaned from forums recently;
They are a maintenance item and need to be drained regularly (more often in winter). That is one big reason they aren't provided by the OEM themselves. The larger capacity cans obviously don't need to be drained as often.
The most knowledgeable on the subject say they can't be installed and do a thorough job of protection without drilling holes into the air box and turbo piping. That means that in order to possibly hide an install for warranty purposes you need a replacements for those 2 parts.
An ecoboost engine kit should ideally be a dual valve setup with a clean side separator - so cheap catch can kits are probably out of the question although some would say any catch can is better than none at all.
For those who are confident in the protection offered by the Magnuson-Moss warranty act in the US for aftermarket modifications like this one be aware that if it is deemed catch cans interfere with the federal emissions act, then you are likely to lose that argument.
There are a (pitifully) few Fords dealers who install and warranty the catch cans themselves.
There are other forums with more detailed information on this subject including manufacturer forums. (e.g. F150 ecoboost forum).
On the other hand, many owners do not have any problems and there is a very definite risk to any existing warranty coverage. Those who soon trade in their trucks and those with naturally aspirated engines do not need to worry so much about these issues.
Some information about catch cans I've gleaned from forums recently;
They are a maintenance item and need to be drained regularly (more often in winter). That is one big reason they aren't provided by the OEM themselves. The larger capacity cans obviously don't need to be drained as often.
The most knowledgeable on the subject say they can't be installed and do a thorough job of protection without drilling holes into the air box and turbo piping. That means that in order to possibly hide an install for warranty purposes you need a replacements for those 2 parts.
An ecoboost engine kit should ideally be a dual valve setup with a clean side separator - so cheap catch can kits are probably out of the question although some would say any catch can is better than none at all.
For those who are confident in the protection offered by the Magnuson-Moss warranty act in the US for aftermarket modifications like this one be aware that if it is deemed catch cans interfere with the federal emissions act, then you are likely to lose that argument.
There are a (pitifully) few Fords dealers who install and warranty the catch cans themselves.
There are other forums with more detailed information on this subject including manufacturer forums. (e.g. F150 ecoboost forum).
Last edited by Derodeo; 01-15-2015 at 05:37 PM.
01-16-2015, 03:03 AM
#14
Senior Member
There are lengthy threads on this forum about catch cans; which work the best and the symptoms that indicate why you might need one. I'm convinced it is a very good idea to have a high quality catch can installed on a direct injection, forced induction engine especially one with a poorly designed PCV system like the Ford ecoboost (prior to 2015 at least). Some collect astonishing amounts of very nasty concoctions (primarily oil, fuel and water) that would otherwise be ingested into the engine causing among other things intercooler contamination. In addition there are presumed benefits of minimizing oil dilution and valve coking and maintaining fuel economy and power.
On the other hand, many owners do not have any problems and there is a very definite risk to any existing warranty coverage. Those who soon trade in their trucks and those with naturally aspirated engines do not need to worry so much about these issues.
Some information about catch cans I've gleaned from forums recently;
They are a maintenance item and need to be drained regularly (more often in winter). That is one big reason they aren't provided by the OEM themselves. The larger capacity cans obviously don't need to be drained as often.
The most knowledgeable on the subject say they can't be installed and do a thorough job of protection without drilling holes into the air box and turbo piping. That means that in order to possibly hide an install for warranty purposes you need a replacements for those 2 parts.
An ecoboost engine kit should ideally be a dual valve setup with a clean side separator - so cheap catch can kits are probably out of the question although some would say any catch can is better than none at all.
For those who are confident in the protection offered by the Magnuson-Moss warranty act in the US for aftermarket modifications like this one be aware that if it is deemed catch cans interfere with the federal emissions act, then you are likely to lose that argument.
There are a (pitifully) few Fords dealers who install and warranty the catch cans themselves.
There are other forums with more detailed information on this subject including manufacturer forums. (e.g. F150 ecoboost forum).
On the other hand, many owners do not have any problems and there is a very definite risk to any existing warranty coverage. Those who soon trade in their trucks and those with naturally aspirated engines do not need to worry so much about these issues.
Some information about catch cans I've gleaned from forums recently;
They are a maintenance item and need to be drained regularly (more often in winter). That is one big reason they aren't provided by the OEM themselves. The larger capacity cans obviously don't need to be drained as often.
The most knowledgeable on the subject say they can't be installed and do a thorough job of protection without drilling holes into the air box and turbo piping. That means that in order to possibly hide an install for warranty purposes you need a replacements for those 2 parts.
An ecoboost engine kit should ideally be a dual valve setup with a clean side separator - so cheap catch can kits are probably out of the question although some would say any catch can is better than none at all.
For those who are confident in the protection offered by the Magnuson-Moss warranty act in the US for aftermarket modifications like this one be aware that if it is deemed catch cans interfere with the federal emissions act, then you are likely to lose that argument.
There are a (pitifully) few Fords dealers who install and warranty the catch cans themselves.
There are other forums with more detailed information on this subject including manufacturer forums. (e.g. F150 ecoboost forum).
One of the best explanation I have seen written on catch cans!! Well done sir.
The issue with DI motors are the valves collecting carbon build up. Non DI engines could benefit from fuel additives to help clean the carbon build up on the valves. There are products out there now to periodically add to the intake for the valves to receive some cleaning. The recommended frequency of such a treatment and what to use is all over the place.
The catch can is just suppose to help reduce the induction of this crap to be burned into the engine so as not be collected on the intake valves. They are hot and the oil collects/attaches to the valves and burn from the heat and start the carbon build up process.
I installed a Bob's catch can, who specialize in mustangs for my SRT Challenger, which is a high compression high output motor and can benefit from this also and lt does catch a lot more oil than you would think.
I think these EB engines with the DI can really benefit from one as well as well as periodically running valve cleaner through the intake.
My research continues for I would like to install one but also want to periodically perform the intake cleaning process as well. Just don't know with what and how ofter yet!
I will not be drilling any holes into anything. I will not do anything that will void my warranty. This can is just inline between the PVC and the air intake to catch the oil. It has a drain valve on the bottom for easy draining. It is in two section with the bottom have a stainless steel mesh type material to capture oil droplets and the top is has a micro hole plate the air will pass through before exiting out to the intake. Will have to see how the EB is setup and get some advice from the fellows at Bob's. Here is their link if anyone cares to look
http://shop.bobsautosports.com/Catch...rators_c13.htm
Here is a photo of the Bob's catch can on my Challenger 392.
My $0.02 worth
Last edited by CurryBob; 01-16-2015 at 03:12 AM.
01-16-2015, 10:38 AM
#15
Keepin' the lights on!
One of the best explanation I have seen written on catch cans!! Well done sir.
The issue with DI motors are the valves collecting carbon build up. Non DI engines could benefit from fuel additives to help clean the carbon build up on the valves. There are products out there now to periodically add to the intake for the valves to receive some cleaning. The recommended frequency of such a treatment and what to use is all over the place.
The catch can is just suppose to help reduce the induction of this crap to be burned into the engine so as not be collected on the intake valves. They are hot and the oil collects/attaches to the valves and burn from the heat and start the carbon build up process.
I installed a Bob's catch can, who specialize in mustangs for my SRT Challenger, which is a high compression high output motor and can benefit from this also and lt does catch a lot more oil than you would think.
I think these EB engines with the DI can really benefit from one as well as well as periodically running valve cleaner through the intake.
My research continues for I would like to install one but also want to periodically perform the intake cleaning process as well. Just don't know with what and how ofter yet!
I will not be drilling any holes into anything. I will not do anything that will void my warranty. This can is just inline between the PVC and the air intake to catch the oil. It has a drain valve on the bottom for easy draining. It is in two section with the bottom have a stainless steel mesh type material to capture oil droplets and the top is has a micro hole plate the air will pass through before exiting out to the intake. Will have to see how the EB is setup and get some advice from the fellows at Bob's. Here is their link if anyone cares to look
http://shop.bobsautosports.com/Catch...rators_c13.htm
Here is a photo of the Bob's catch can on my Challenger 392.
My $0.02 worth
The issue with DI motors are the valves collecting carbon build up. Non DI engines could benefit from fuel additives to help clean the carbon build up on the valves. There are products out there now to periodically add to the intake for the valves to receive some cleaning. The recommended frequency of such a treatment and what to use is all over the place.
The catch can is just suppose to help reduce the induction of this crap to be burned into the engine so as not be collected on the intake valves. They are hot and the oil collects/attaches to the valves and burn from the heat and start the carbon build up process.
I installed a Bob's catch can, who specialize in mustangs for my SRT Challenger, which is a high compression high output motor and can benefit from this also and lt does catch a lot more oil than you would think.
I think these EB engines with the DI can really benefit from one as well as well as periodically running valve cleaner through the intake.
My research continues for I would like to install one but also want to periodically perform the intake cleaning process as well. Just don't know with what and how ofter yet!
I will not be drilling any holes into anything. I will not do anything that will void my warranty. This can is just inline between the PVC and the air intake to catch the oil. It has a drain valve on the bottom for easy draining. It is in two section with the bottom have a stainless steel mesh type material to capture oil droplets and the top is has a micro hole plate the air will pass through before exiting out to the intake. Will have to see how the EB is setup and get some advice from the fellows at Bob's. Here is their link if anyone cares to look
http://shop.bobsautosports.com/Catch...rators_c13.htm
Here is a photo of the Bob's catch can on my Challenger 392.
My $0.02 worth
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01-16-2015, 11:49 AM
#16
Senior Member
I hope they have done some changes to help! I will probably still put catch can on each side and can remove if I have a warranty issue.
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Last edited by CurryBob; 01-16-2015 at 12:12 PM.
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#17
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