SuperCruzin

Wow, good thinking on Toyota's part.

This was a big reason I did not go EB on my truck. The dealer was pushing the EB trucks HARD too. (thats what they had in stock) I chose to wait the 8 weeks to have mine built so I could have the 5.0L. Had the 3.5EB been MPFI, I'd probably have one today, and maybe once all the teething issues of DI get figured out by manufacturers and go away, perhaps I will have on in the future... but I was not about to spend nearly 40k to be a guinea pig beta tester.

I went with the best info I had at the time. I knew the track record of DI in general up to that point and the 2011 guys were showing that the MPG gains from the EB were largely bogus. (MPG was not my focus anyways) I wanted as close to "no fuss reliable" that I could find. So far, I feel my gut instinct was accurate as the only TSB that applies to my truck is the powertrain reflash. If I was buying another F150 today (or in 2015) I would go the same route.

It did not seem to work for the Audi guys. The 2.0T guys have issues something awdul. Once in a while would need to be often at the least. MPFI gets cleaned every time you turn the key, and for as long as its running.

Ron AKA

With direct injection where are you going to put that Seafoam? If in the fuel it will bypass the intake manifold, and will have no more effect than fuel additives. If you put it in the crankcase, the rings and valve seals do a pretty good job of keeping it away from the combustion chamber and intake manifold.


In any case did you know that Seafoam is a backyard concoction from the 1940's and was intended for two cycle outboard motors? It is a mix of about equal parts of light oil, camp stove fuel (naphtha), and isopropyl alcohol (drug store rubbing alcohol). Even if you pour or spray it into the air intake, none of those products, or the mixture of them is going to touch burned on carbon. See this MSDS for Seafoam:


http://www.mta.ca/administration/fac...Co.%202010.pdf

Curmudgeon

Ahhh, but there's always the placebo effect and impressing your neighbors, girlfriend, relatives, and street-racing buddy with all the smoke.

SuperCruzin

^ Thats the best part of it. Who cares if it actually does anything... smoke is awesome.

Disconnect the PCV where it goes into the manifold attach a hose and let it draw the seafoam out like a straw. It should go the same places the mystery goop goes. But I do agree, burned on carbon is some tough stuff.

SeaFoam itself I have never really been impressed with. Another one I have used before is Berryman B-12 Chemtool and I liked it much better. (i just looked up the MSDS and its 90% Actone - makes me question using it on a truck with a plastic intake manifold - LOL) You can buy the singles in the store, but they also offer a 3 step box you can sometimes get too. Last time I used one, It came with 2 twist top cans, a spray can, and a small hose to do the vacuum trick I described above. IIRC: some went in the fuel tank, some in the oil, a can through the vacuum lines, and the aerosol was sprayed into the TB. I used it on a high mileage SB Ford Windsor and it worked awesome... For those keeping score... WAY more smoke than SeaFoam.

Derodeo

I'd love it if it were feasible to get the 5.0 engine instead of the Ecoboost for much the same reasons as posted by SuperCruzin above. But Ford in their wisdom has made the Maximum Tow package available only on the Ecoboost - and that's the only way I have a chance of an acceptable payload.

GearheadGeek

Max tow does essentially nothing for payload. If you want to bump up payload you want HD Payload, option code 627 (which includes all the items in Max Tow with the 3.5L Ecoboost, or Tow Package with the 5.0). HD Payload is available in certain configurations with either engine, and there's a "2.7L Ecoboost payload package" for configurations with that engine.

shaffe

This sounds similar to me. I won't need my truck to tow ( maybe a rare occasion helping a friend) BUT I need the bed for work and just because I am sick of having to borrow a friends truck. Right now I have a 52 mile round trip commute for work so fuel economy is important to me, which is why the 2.7 has my interest peaked.

Derodeo

The Max. Tow package has in the past always resulted in a substantially higher GVWR. Whether it does so or not for 2015 remains to be seen and is the big reason why I am waiting to order. Heavy Duty package, besides being "Late Availability, is not available on higher trim levels - I will be buying either a King Ranch luxury or Platinum.

GearheadGeek

Interesting... the package has never mentioned any spring difference or specific tires... Max Tow was previously only with the 3.73 diff, I always thought that was what drove the change in GVWR. The tires were the same, so I wonder if ordering one with the axle and tires (if they're available on the trim/config you want) should get you to the same GVWR. I guess 300 lb is nothing to sneeze at, that adds up to about the same as my generator plus a couple of carboys of extra water.

Now that it's going to be combined with the 3.55 instead of the 3.73 for Max Tow w/o HD Payload, it'll be interesting to see how the numbers come out. There's not a placeholder specific to Max Tow in the "TBD" weights on the 2015 ordering guide, and there was a line for Max Tow in 2014.

Avsfreak13

So getting back to comparing these engines has ford released a dyno for the 2.7 yet? I could find anything.