300 hp out of a 4.6l?
10-19-2007, 12:26 AM
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Its a little easier said than done though.
Most people are not mechanically inclined but do know how to do basic things. Others now more and can change out parts like its not big deal. Then there are people who can do anything to a motor or would be able too if they had the tools and time.
Considering that MOST people do not have the skills and ambitions to rip into a very expensive motor and fill it with even more $$$$ only to hope they they did EVERY single step acording the specs or their motor will basically tear itself to pieces. This is why most people WILL pay they extra money for labor b/c all said and done its chump change to what they are risking doing it themselves. Altho this is different in some cases and to some people who do know what they are doing and will tackle and job themselves because they KNOW that they can do the job and do it right.
Most people are not mechanically inclined but do know how to do basic things. Others now more and can change out parts like its not big deal. Then there are people who can do anything to a motor or would be able too if they had the tools and time.
Considering that MOST people do not have the skills and ambitions to rip into a very expensive motor and fill it with even more $$$$ only to hope they they did EVERY single step acording the specs or their motor will basically tear itself to pieces. This is why most people WILL pay they extra money for labor b/c all said and done its chump change to what they are risking doing it themselves. Altho this is different in some cases and to some people who do know what they are doing and will tackle and job themselves because they KNOW that they can do the job and do it right.
10-19-2007, 12:40 AM
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Installing a supercharger is much easier than basically putting an entire motor together though. So even if someone who was "less" inclined to even embark on doing "major" work to a motor which one do you think they would do? Go with the easy and sure fire way of getting that 300HP or go with the much more complicated and time consuming way while also getting over 300HP. For me it would be an easy decision and that would be to go with the supercharger since more people would be able to help me, and at the same time parts and help would also be more readily available. Either way you will make roughly the same amounts of HP unless you stepped it up and went with a higher PSI kit or an intercooler, but at the same time you could get more HP the other way too.
Then later down the road say you wanted more HP. It would be a hell of alot easier to get more HP from lets say Headers, pullies, and a intercooler than it would be without tearing back into the motor. Thus saving time, money, and ease.
P.S. 10k for a supercharger installed? Thats a little high don't you think?
Then later down the road say you wanted more HP. It would be a hell of alot easier to get more HP from lets say Headers, pullies, and a intercooler than it would be without tearing back into the motor. Thus saving time, money, and ease.
P.S. 10k for a supercharger installed? Thats a little high don't you think?
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10-19-2007, 12:57 AM
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Installing a supercharger is much easier than basically putting an entire motor together though. So even if someone who was "less" inclined to even embark on doing "major" work to a motor which one do you think they would do? Go with the easy and sure fire way of getting that 300HP or go with the much more complicated and time consuming way while also getting over 300HP. For me it would be an easy decision and that would be to go with the supercharger since more people would be able to help me, and at the same time parts and help would also be more readily available. Either way you will make roughly the same amounts of HP unless you stepped it up and went with a higher PSI kit or an intercooler, but at the same time you could get more HP the other way too.
Then later down the road say you wanted more HP. It would be a hell of alot easier to get more HP from lets say Headers, pullies, and a intercooler than it would be without tearing back into the motor. Thus saving time, money, and ease.
P.S. 10k for a supercharger installed? Thats a little high don't you think?
Then later down the road say you wanted more HP. It would be a hell of alot easier to get more HP from lets say Headers, pullies, and a intercooler than it would be without tearing back into the motor. Thus saving time, money, and ease.
P.S. 10k for a supercharger installed? Thats a little high don't you think?
but at the same time....he has a 2V motor...heads and cams are a dime a dozen, as are 24lb injectors, and a used Lightning MAF. I recommended what I did an to make N/A power because the parts can be had for VERY cheap......and ill compare it very easily....I have a friend who works for SCT, im currently running a few of his guinea pig tunes. He runs a '98 Mustang in Grassroots motorsports. He just finished the motor for it...being a 98 GT bottom end, PI heads, PI manifold, shorty headers, and VT Stage2 cams. The car makes 279hp at the tires through a T-45...He spent a grand total of $1300 on the engine and did it himself. I spent $950 on the all aluminum PI motor for my car and spent 1400 when it was all said and done...on misc parts and gaskets. The poster has an 02 4.6L, something I know a helluva lot about. I posted on experience, first hand experience. Ive taken those motors apart, I know what is in the bottom end. IF you have seen the sinter split, powdered metal rods and weak pistons that come in the bottom end from the factory, you wouldnt want to supercharge it either....so, go on, drop that imaginary cash.
10-19-2007, 01:11 AM
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retail on a blower with its install kit runs about 4,500-5,000. That doesnt include a new fuel pump, spec injectors, MAF, or a proper tune. Factor in 85$ an hour for labor and/or fabrication.....or intercooler/aftercooler, or tapping the oil pan if need be...or running new gauges. We havent even gotten into any driveline work.....running a tailshaft lube line, a stouter convertor, etc...
but at the same time....he has a 2V motor...heads and cams are a dime a dozen, as are 24lb injectors, and a used Lightning MAF. I recommended what I did an to make N/A power because the parts can be had for VERY cheap......and ill compare it very easily....I have a friend who works for SCT, im currently running a few of his guinea pig tunes. He runs a '98 Mustang in Grassroots motorsports. He just finished the motor for it...being a 98 GT bottom end, PI heads, PI manifold, shorty headers, and VT Stage2 cams. The car makes 279hp at the tires through a T-45...He spent a grand total of $1300 on the engine and did it himself. I spent $950 on the all aluminum PI motor for my car and spent 1400 when it was all said and done...on misc parts and gaskets. The poster has an 02 4.6L, something I know a helluva lot about. I posted on experience, first hand experience. Ive taken those motors apart, I know what is in the bottom end. IF you have seen the sinter split, powdered metal rods and weak pistons that come in the bottom end from the factory, you wouldnt want to supercharge it either....so, go on, drop that imaginary cash.
but at the same time....he has a 2V motor...heads and cams are a dime a dozen, as are 24lb injectors, and a used Lightning MAF. I recommended what I did an to make N/A power because the parts can be had for VERY cheap......and ill compare it very easily....I have a friend who works for SCT, im currently running a few of his guinea pig tunes. He runs a '98 Mustang in Grassroots motorsports. He just finished the motor for it...being a 98 GT bottom end, PI heads, PI manifold, shorty headers, and VT Stage2 cams. The car makes 279hp at the tires through a T-45...He spent a grand total of $1300 on the engine and did it himself. I spent $950 on the all aluminum PI motor for my car and spent 1400 when it was all said and done...on misc parts and gaskets. The poster has an 02 4.6L, something I know a helluva lot about. I posted on experience, first hand experience. Ive taken those motors apart, I know what is in the bottom end. IF you have seen the sinter split, powdered metal rods and weak pistons that come in the bottom end from the factory, you wouldnt want to supercharge it either....so, go on, drop that imaginary cash.
I will say that for some reason I cannot get in my head the he does have a 2V, this entire time I kept telling myself 3V 3V.
Anyway
P.S. I went ahead and spent my imaginary cash and droped it all on a supercharger with the inter-cooler and underdrive pullies.
10-19-2007, 01:18 AM
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When I finally decide to agree with you on installing a supercharger or whatever by himself you disregard it.
I will say that for some reason I cannot get in my head the he does have a 2V, this entire time I kept telling myself 3V 3V.
Anyway
P.S. I went ahead and spent my imaginary cash and droped it all on a supercharger with the inter-cooler and underdrive pullies.
I will say that for some reason I cannot get in my head the he does have a 2V, this entire time I kept telling myself 3V 3V.
Anyway
P.S. I went ahead and spent my imaginary cash and droped it all on a supercharger with the inter-cooler and underdrive pullies.
10-19-2007, 01:21 AM
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Its been way to long of a day, im off this forum and starting my english paper.
10-19-2007, 01:24 AM
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I've said it before, can't we all just get a-long neck!!!
10-19-2007, 01:32 AM
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I know, just had to jump in after following this all night. Better get to bed, 8:00 am will get here pretty fast. Ah hell, your probably still young and can handle it, I forget sometimes.
10-19-2007, 10:02 AM
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If you do decide to go the route of a supercharger bring it to Florida. I've done several and I'm sure it would be just as easy on our engines.
$10k for a supercharger + install?? LOL You can buy the supercharger and all the parts spending less than $6500. The hardest part of the install is taking it apart....the rest is easy. I've done MANY intercoolers that sit between the supercharger and the engine and it's simple. If I ever were to fork out the money for a supercharger I would be doing the install myself.
$10k for a supercharger + install?? LOL You can buy the supercharger and all the parts spending less than $6500. The hardest part of the install is taking it apart....the rest is easy. I've done MANY intercoolers that sit between the supercharger and the engine and it's simple. If I ever were to fork out the money for a supercharger I would be doing the install myself.