2011-12 Ecoboost vs. V8 5.0??
04-07-2013, 08:28 PM
#871
Ford's big Gamble is trying to replace v8 truck power with a turbo v6
I doubt he works for General Motors because the technology in Ford's current line up is under development within GM. Although the V6 twin turbo isn't slated for the 2014 GMC trucks, you can rest assured it will soon end up there. They are also following Ford's lead with twin independent variable cam timing. The Ecoboost is proof positive that Ford is the leader in technology, as they have always been. And to those who choose to bury their heads in the sand and choose to discredit the innovation of these wonderful V6s in favor of V8s, should recall that back in the day Henry Ford was ridiculed believing the V8 was a viable option for mass production.
There's a little Ecotruth for you.
Ecoboost is new technology in the way that they are trying to solve the issues with the heat that turbos create. It is too bad that Ford didn't do a little more testing a proof of concept before rushing to market. Ford and ecoboost may survive the initial hit on reliability, buy I doubt it. There are two things that bother me in this post. The first is that Henry Ford originally had one option for color--black. When GM brought in color options, GM took off and Ford was forced to offer color choice. I think you should consider that in your example supporting Henry Ford, who was a stubborn man. The second concern is the term ecotruth. Repeating, who came up with the term ecoboost and what is it boosing? Is it a boost for the driver's economy or a boost for the ecology. Ecoboost may be mostly boosting Ford.
I doubt he works for General Motors because the technology in Ford's current line up is under development within GM. Although the V6 twin turbo isn't slated for the 2014 GMC trucks, you can rest assured it will soon end up there. They are also following Ford's lead with twin independent variable cam timing. The Ecoboost is proof positive that Ford is the leader in technology, as they have always been. And to those who choose to bury their heads in the sand and choose to discredit the innovation of these wonderful V6s in favor of V8s, should recall that back in the day Henry Ford was ridiculed believing the V8 was a viable option for mass production.
There's a little Ecotruth for you.
Ecoboost is new technology in the way that they are trying to solve the issues with the heat that turbos create. It is too bad that Ford didn't do a little more testing a proof of concept before rushing to market. Ford and ecoboost may survive the initial hit on reliability, buy I doubt it. There are two things that bother me in this post. The first is that Henry Ford originally had one option for color--black. When GM brought in color options, GM took off and Ford was forced to offer color choice. I think you should consider that in your example supporting Henry Ford, who was a stubborn man. The second concern is the term ecotruth. Repeating, who came up with the term ecoboost and what is it boosing? Is it a boost for the driver's economy or a boost for the ecology. Ecoboost may be mostly boosting Ford.
04-07-2013, 08:33 PM
#872
Senior Member
Ford's big Gamble is trying to replace v8 truck power with a turbo v6
I doubt he works for General Motors because the technology in Ford's current line up is under development within GM. Although the V6 twin turbo isn't slated for the 2014 GMC trucks, you can rest assured it will soon end up there. They are also following Ford's lead with twin independent variable cam timing. The Ecoboost is proof positive that Ford is the leader in technology, as they have always been. And to those who choose to bury their heads in the sand and choose to discredit the innovation of these wonderful V6s in favor of V8s, should recall that back in the day Henry Ford was ridiculed believing the V8 was a viable option for mass production.
There's a little Ecotruth for you.
Ecoboost is new technology in the way that they are trying to solve the issues with the heat that turbos create. It is too bad that Ford didn't do a little more testing a proof of concept before rushing to market. Ford and ecoboost may survive the initial hit on reliability, buy I doubt it. There are two things that bother me in this post. The first is that Henry Ford originally had one option for color--black. When GM brought in color options, GM took off and Ford was forced to offer color choice. I think you should consider that in your example supporting Henry Ford, who was a stubborn man. The second concern is the term ecotruth. Repeating, who came up with the term ecoboost and what is it boosing? Is it a boost for the driver's economy or a boost for the ecology. Ecoboost may be mostly boosting Ford.
I doubt he works for General Motors because the technology in Ford's current line up is under development within GM. Although the V6 twin turbo isn't slated for the 2014 GMC trucks, you can rest assured it will soon end up there. They are also following Ford's lead with twin independent variable cam timing. The Ecoboost is proof positive that Ford is the leader in technology, as they have always been. And to those who choose to bury their heads in the sand and choose to discredit the innovation of these wonderful V6s in favor of V8s, should recall that back in the day Henry Ford was ridiculed believing the V8 was a viable option for mass production.
There's a little Ecotruth for you.
Ecoboost is new technology in the way that they are trying to solve the issues with the heat that turbos create. It is too bad that Ford didn't do a little more testing a proof of concept before rushing to market. Ford and ecoboost may survive the initial hit on reliability, buy I doubt it. There are two things that bother me in this post. The first is that Henry Ford originally had one option for color--black. When GM brought in color options, GM took off and Ford was forced to offer color choice. I think you should consider that in your example supporting Henry Ford, who was a stubborn man. The second concern is the term ecotruth. Repeating, who came up with the term ecoboost and what is it boosing? Is it a boost for the driver's economy or a boost for the ecology. Ecoboost may be mostly boosting Ford.
04-07-2013, 08:39 PM
#873
Troll calling by the troll Geno 51
In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang, a troll (****.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Englishˈtroʊlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Englishˈtrɒlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may also refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."
How am I a troll for saying the following?:
1. Eco is never going to pay for itself with gas savings.
2. You claim the 5.0 is less reliable. Where is that documented?
3. Yes it tows more.
Read Geno's post: The troll is calling me a troll for expressing my opinion, while claiming the 5.0 failures are higher than eco. Where is that coming from troll-boy.
In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang, a troll (****.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Englishˈtroʊlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Englishˈtrɒlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may also refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."
How am I a troll for saying the following?:
1. Eco is never going to pay for itself with gas savings.
2. You claim the 5.0 is less reliable. Where is that documented?
3. Yes it tows more.
Read Geno's post: The troll is calling me a troll for expressing my opinion, while claiming the 5.0 failures are higher than eco. Where is that coming from troll-boy.
04-07-2013, 08:41 PM
#874
Just saying... Last troll got knocked out of the park with a single shot over center field. Either actually contribute to the forum or knock off the constant arguing. I don't care what truck engine size you have and or wish had or plan on having. jump in a few topics and actually try to help somebody with an issue rather then endless debates about 5.0 vs ecoboost. Final warning.
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04-07-2013, 08:42 PM
#875
Senior Member
Troll calling by the troll Geno 51
In Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang, a troll (****.: Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_EnglishˈtroʊlVideo Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English, Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_EnglishˈtrɒlVideo Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may also refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."
How am I a troll for saying the following?:
1. Eco is never going to pay for itself with gas savings.
2. You claim the 5.0 is less reliable. Where is that documented?
3. Yes it tows more.
Read Geno's post: The troll is calling me a troll for expressing my opinion, while claiming the 5.0 failures are higher than eco. Where is that coming from troll-boy.
In Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang, a troll (****.: Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_EnglishˈtroʊlVideo Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English, Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_EnglishˈtrɒlVideo Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may also refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."
How am I a troll for saying the following?:
1. Eco is never going to pay for itself with gas savings.
2. You claim the 5.0 is less reliable. Where is that documented?
3. Yes it tows more.
Read Geno's post: The troll is calling me a troll for expressing my opinion, while claiming the 5.0 failures are higher than eco. Where is that coming from troll-boy.
1) Did you not understand that money played no factor in my purchase. We're not all CEOs like you but when I wanted the better motor so I bought it.
Last edited by geno51; 04-07-2013 at 09:36 PM.
04-07-2013, 08:44 PM
#876
Batteries Not Included
Ford's big Gamble is trying to replace v8 truck power with a turbo v6
I doubt he works for General Motors because the technology in Ford's current line up is under development within GM. Although the V6 twin turbo isn't slated for the 2014 GMC trucks, you can rest assured it will soon end up there. They are also following Ford's lead with twin independent variable cam timing. The Ecoboost is proof positive that Ford is the leader in technology, as they have always been. And to those who choose to bury their heads in the sand and choose to discredit the innovation of these wonderful V6s in favor of V8s, should recall that back in the day Henry Ford was ridiculed believing the V8 was a viable option for mass production.
There's a little Ecotruth for you.
Ecoboost is new technology in the way that they are trying to solve the issues with the heat that turbos create. It is too bad that Ford didn't do a little more testing a proof of concept before rushing to market. Ford and ecoboost may survive the initial hit on reliability, buy I doubt it. There are two things that bother me in this post. The first is that Henry Ford originally had one option for color--black. When GM brought in color options, GM took off and Ford was forced to offer color choice. I think you should consider that in your example supporting Henry Ford, who was a stubborn man. The second concern is the term ecotruth. Repeating, who came up with the term ecoboost and what is it boosing? Is it a boost for the driver's economy or a boost for the ecology. Ecoboost may be mostly boosting Ford.
I doubt he works for General Motors because the technology in Ford's current line up is under development within GM. Although the V6 twin turbo isn't slated for the 2014 GMC trucks, you can rest assured it will soon end up there. They are also following Ford's lead with twin independent variable cam timing. The Ecoboost is proof positive that Ford is the leader in technology, as they have always been. And to those who choose to bury their heads in the sand and choose to discredit the innovation of these wonderful V6s in favor of V8s, should recall that back in the day Henry Ford was ridiculed believing the V8 was a viable option for mass production.
There's a little Ecotruth for you.
Ecoboost is new technology in the way that they are trying to solve the issues with the heat that turbos create. It is too bad that Ford didn't do a little more testing a proof of concept before rushing to market. Ford and ecoboost may survive the initial hit on reliability, buy I doubt it. There are two things that bother me in this post. The first is that Henry Ford originally had one option for color--black. When GM brought in color options, GM took off and Ford was forced to offer color choice. I think you should consider that in your example supporting Henry Ford, who was a stubborn man. The second concern is the term ecotruth. Repeating, who came up with the term ecoboost and what is it boosing? Is it a boost for the driver's economy or a boost for the ecology. Ecoboost may be mostly boosting Ford.
I have to ask, because it's still not clear, but why are you here? You have been disproven so many times that I am truly wondering what you are trying to accomplish. Whatever it is, it's not working and it's truly bolstering your opposition.
Colorful enough for you?
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04-07-2013, 08:45 PM
#877
Batteries Not Included
Just saying... Last troll got knocked out of the park with a single shot over center field. Either actually contribute to the forum or knock off the constant arguing. I don't care what truck engine size you have and or wish had or plan on having. jump in a few topics and actually try to help somebody with an issue rather then endless debates about 5.0 vs ecoboost. Final warning.
04-07-2013, 08:46 PM
#878
Senior Member
Just saying... Last troll got knocked out of the park with a single shot over center field. Either actually contribute to the forum or knock off the constant arguing. I don't care what truck engine size you have and or wish had or plan on having. jump in a few topics and actually try to help somebody with an issue rather then endless debates about 5.0 vs ecoboost. Final warning.
That's a troll for ya !
Please keep going so you can get permanently banned. Man that last 2 weeks was nice
Bye bye troll !
Last edited by geno51; 04-07-2013 at 09:12 PM.
04-07-2013, 08:49 PM
#879
Senior Member
Originally Posted by RRSkinner
This is so typical. Ford is selling ecoboost as v8 performance and more, plus save gas.Which it is doing, it performs better then the 5L V8 and get's better mileage.??Nothing to say, truth hurts I guess?? This is what I call ecoboast and hype. Opinion, that is all, biased and ignorant, but nothing else. Again, truth seems to have shut you up?? It is really simple. Ecoboost is not delivering anything except extra towing. And performance, and slightly better mileage daily driving, and for some, better discounts/incentives which lower the cost below what a 5L costs. The previous sentence is totally false. There is no way to not pay extra for eco.What? Sure there is, incentives, plain and simple. My local dealer offered $7500 off Ecoboost trucks, can you do the math? I don't tow anything as heavy as eco rates and never have. Then how do you justify buying the V8 over the 3.7L? I already answered that. I am willing to pay $500 (net after rebate on 5.0) to have the power if I need it. So you wasted $500, but since you have convinced yourself it's the right engine it's ok?
Eco is not worth the money to me and Ford is over-selling.Opinion, nothing more. Yes, this is opinion, but not nothing more. This opinion is baked by motor trend, consumer reports and more. MT & CR are into "baking" now? Actually being "baked" would explain a lot of your posts. However it would seem what you read, and what is actually written are 2 different things. The general consensus they all say is, equal or better MPG then the 5L with HP/TQ on par with the 6.2L, all for the basic $1750 upgrade fee, that's before any incentives are tallied up. I hope GM starts sending my money even though I own the Ford 5.0.
If you are not a liar, why are you implying that I work for GM? It seems obviously false and deceptive. I guess you have nothing to say about this. Liars edit and repost under others names. I don't like it. If you have something to say, leave my post in context and write your response separately. Why would I have anything to say about that. You directed that at another person, and I am neither a liar or had the need to edit my posts.
But if you like.
You cry about others doing as you do (You tell us we all work for Ford) but cry when others ask if you work for GM.
You've threatened those reading, but say it was only in response to "bulling" (which I can only assume was meant to say "bullying") Yet when asked to provide an example of this bullying you can not do so.
You've told everyone you are/or have been, marine/MacGyver/ninja/circus performer/CEO/too many others to list, most recently a salesmen too. Yet you conduct yourself in the manner of a young un-educated person suffering from small man syndrome.
I will say this for you though, you're stubborn, and consistent, which counts for something I guess.
If only you could get past your personal bias, and open your mind to the education being presented to you by so many on here.
Black is Skinner
Red is Beaky reply
Green is back at you
whatever colour this is, is Beakie (I understand your inability to spell my screen name incorrectly, common mistake)
This is so typical. Ford is selling ecoboost as v8 performance and more, plus save gas.Which it is doing, it performs better then the 5L V8 and get's better mileage.??Nothing to say, truth hurts I guess?? This is what I call ecoboast and hype. Opinion, that is all, biased and ignorant, but nothing else. Again, truth seems to have shut you up?? It is really simple. Ecoboost is not delivering anything except extra towing. And performance, and slightly better mileage daily driving, and for some, better discounts/incentives which lower the cost below what a 5L costs. The previous sentence is totally false. There is no way to not pay extra for eco.What? Sure there is, incentives, plain and simple. My local dealer offered $7500 off Ecoboost trucks, can you do the math? I don't tow anything as heavy as eco rates and never have. Then how do you justify buying the V8 over the 3.7L? I already answered that. I am willing to pay $500 (net after rebate on 5.0) to have the power if I need it. So you wasted $500, but since you have convinced yourself it's the right engine it's ok?
Eco is not worth the money to me and Ford is over-selling.Opinion, nothing more. Yes, this is opinion, but not nothing more. This opinion is baked by motor trend, consumer reports and more. MT & CR are into "baking" now? Actually being "baked" would explain a lot of your posts. However it would seem what you read, and what is actually written are 2 different things. The general consensus they all say is, equal or better MPG then the 5L with HP/TQ on par with the 6.2L, all for the basic $1750 upgrade fee, that's before any incentives are tallied up. I hope GM starts sending my money even though I own the Ford 5.0.
If you are not a liar, why are you implying that I work for GM? It seems obviously false and deceptive. I guess you have nothing to say about this. Liars edit and repost under others names. I don't like it. If you have something to say, leave my post in context and write your response separately. Why would I have anything to say about that. You directed that at another person, and I am neither a liar or had the need to edit my posts.
But if you like.
You cry about others doing as you do (You tell us we all work for Ford) but cry when others ask if you work for GM.
You've threatened those reading, but say it was only in response to "bulling" (which I can only assume was meant to say "bullying") Yet when asked to provide an example of this bullying you can not do so.
You've told everyone you are/or have been, marine/MacGyver/ninja/circus performer/CEO/too many others to list, most recently a salesmen too. Yet you conduct yourself in the manner of a young un-educated person suffering from small man syndrome.
I will say this for you though, you're stubborn, and consistent, which counts for something I guess.
If only you could get past your personal bias, and open your mind to the education being presented to you by so many on here.
Black is Skinner
Red is Beaky reply
Green is back at you
whatever colour this is, is Beakie (I understand your inability to spell my screen name incorrectly, common mistake)
seriously though, take your time, figure out what it is you want to say, find some good sources, go back and find the examples you still have not presented and let's have a good discussion here. I don't mind waiting for you.
04-07-2013, 09:38 PM
#880
Senior Member
You've been told how wrong you are with this, why do you keep bringing it up?
Also, there is no proof that your 5.0 is going to be any more reliable in the long term.
Please stop spreading your misinformed "opinion" in these threads.
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