WarSurfer

I know, right? I can't get my head around the iron block part...

engineermike

Congratulations, you got something right!!!! Yay!

Didn't figure you would. You have repeatedly said that they EB doesn't live up to the hype. Well, according to the MotorTrend dyno, mileage, and performance testing, it exceeds the "hype" to the point of beating the flagship 6.2 engine in performance and the base 3.7 in mileage. Hope this simplifies it enough.

Is your reading comprehension that bad, or perhaps your vision? .6 is not "1 tenth" - nowhere near it! Most of the folks on this forum are concerned on some level about performance and .6 on the quarter is a huge difference.

'Nuff said. As if your credibility couldn't get any worse, well, it just did. Without data, it's just a bunch of unsupported opinions.

Well you bought the wrong motor, then. There's nothing old about the 5.0, plus they blown just as many of them as EB's.

MadocHandyman

Even though they've sold less 5.0's

For a CEO and a genius, he doesn't pick up on things very well.
He still isn't getting that it compares more to the 6.2 but with better mileage. I'm surprised he isn't comparing it with the 3.7 as well.
Oh well, he's helping to keep my neck loose, I'm shaking my head so much.

2011LIMITED#288

Intermission:

















Now carry on.

engineermike

Let us review: You said (direct quote), "I researched before buying the 5.0 litre. I have that engine from 1995. My new truck is the same motor."

Notice that you didn't say, "same displacement" or "same number of cylinders". You said, "same motor". It would be far more technically correct to say the coyote 5.0 is the "same motor" as the 4.6 it replaced, but even that is a long stretch.

Because you claim over and over to have done in-depth research. If this were true, then you would have test driven one. Otherwise your research is incomplete. So to close the loop, you DIDN'T do in-depth research. In pointing this out, I am not refuting your points on a technical level, but I am discrediting your methodology.

I don't even know where to start with this one. Where have you been for the last couple of months??? Your posts are filled with blatantly false statements easily disproven. Here are a few examples of your blatantly false statements:

"turbos generate heat" Fact: Turbos convert heat into shaft power. The heat is generated in the engine.

"The vehicles get similar gas mileage doing similar work." Fact: Changes in powerplant efficiency can have a dramatic effect on mileage when doing the same work.

"The idea of cooling them [turbos] is [new technology] and it is not working." Fact: Water cooled turbos have been in use for decades. I have not seen a single report of water-cooling of the turbos causing a problem.

"never been banned" Fact: At the time of the statement, you had been banned once. Now, it makes twice.

"not one of you offered a solution" Fact: A board member posted the correct solution days earlier.

"He never took calculus, has no clue on analytical geometry, physics or chemistry," Fact: Both idb and I have done all these things and can prove it.

I could spend all day quoting these, but I think you get the idea. Your credibility=shot.

Yes, Engineering is my profession. Dozens of other members put their profession in their handle (Madochandyman, ducatimechanic, etc). But according to you, that's not ok. According to you, it is OK to go on and on about how you're supposedly a CEO, genius, college grad, kung fu black belt, scored higher than the rest of your class on a test one time, fixed a plane with no tools one time, are a finance expert, the list goes on and on. Hypocracy anyone?

RRSkinner

I don't tow. I don't care about gas mileage and almost everyone agrees that ecoboost is not saving much gas if any. No expert is urging people that they are money ahead on gas savings or that ecoboost is a smart investment. Do most people care about .6 seconds in the quarter--I don't. I bought the V8 5.0 for reliability. If I cared about the performance over the ecoboost, you and I should be able to agree that the v8 can be built to crank out more hp than the v6 and that this motor already does that in the Mustang.

As to hype, that seems irrefutable. Ford detuned the Coyote and claim it was for the torque curve. I say it was to hype the ecoboost over the v8 and no one is disputing that Ford is making more money doing it. Even the name "Ecoboost" is hype. Ford let's the consumer decide what they are "boosting." Are they boosting the "economy" by saving gas or are they boosting the ecology or our environment. Maybe you have a better answer, but Ford is certainly boosting something. I bet they are boosting their wallets with your money not mine.

I didn't buy a "harley-davidson" or a "platinum" or a "King Ranch" I had no need to be better than anyone and I consider all of these names for trucks to be appealing to feeble egos. When I spend my money I shop price point. I got the XL with posi, power everything, fog lights and wheels for $20,727, plus tax and license. A lot of small people here are paying over $35,000 to get seats they rarely use, a touch screen computer complete with gps and back up camera and leather seats.

Ford sells the step that extends from the tail gate. I think it is $375. My step was $160 and attaches to the bumper. I go up the side and grab the side rail. Ford goes down the middle, where you grab there pole. I like my way better and it is cheaper. Ford sells a back-up camera too. I put mine in for $50. The monitor is next to the mirror and is easier to watch both the mirror and the monitor.

Here is what it seems to boil down to: Ecoboosters are into the new technology, spending money frivilusly and claiming mine is better than yours. V8 owners like tried and true and realize that there number one priority is reliability. We spend most of our time driving in traffic or down the highway at 70MPH. The ecoboost, 5.0, 3.7 and 6.2 all go down the road at the same speed, which is called at or near the speed limit. We are not children racing out truck from light to light or constantly arguing why mine is better than yours because of hp or torque.

I got the 5.0 for reliability, money now and resale, and believing that ecoboost's claims of gas savings were "ecoboast". You found one expert claiming eco was saving 2 MPG. I have read over and over that eco is not saving gas over the v8 as claimed. Here is one example:


Consumer Reports put rubber to the road to find out, and the consumer advocacy institution found that the fuel economy numbers were about the same for both engines.

The difference in our examples is you are using the exception and quoting a source that agrees with you. I am using the consensus of sources that get no advertising money from Ford. My opinion is supported by consistency and credibility--hot bought and paid for dreams.

geno51

If you think consumer reports it the end all for advocacy you clearly don't belong in this discussion. Wow!

And at 70mph my truck pull 23mpg regularly

It's very clear your a have to be right kind of guy. There's plenty like you on this forum ninja skills and all

2011LIMITED#288

You forgot Limited's.

XtraLargeTall

That sounds like a blast. Kinda wish I had a Raptor for work. Bouncing across fields all day would be so much for fun I heard about a farmer up in Idaho who bought 3 because of the ride. Now to convince my dad that it'll help his back

And noone took the bait?

engineermike

Every point you make for the 5.0 applies even moreso to the 3.7. If you bought into your own logic (if you call it that), then you should have gotten the base v6.

A lesser informed person might think that. A more informed person is familiar with the 2JZ 3.0 liter 6 cylinders out there making in excess of 1000 hp on a stock long-block, and countless other examples of factory turbocharged 6's making crazy power with relatively minor modifications.

You see, the way a free market works is that manufacturers try to develop products that people are willing to pay extra money for. Based on sales numbers, Ford hit a home run with the EB. If Ford didn't make more money off the EB, then it would have been a dismal failure. I believe that people who develop and market something awesome deserve to be rewarded monetarily.

Neither did I, but I rode in some and they are quite nice trucks. I won't badmouth them just because I went with the cheapest supercrew you could get with the Ecoboost engine.

You have quoted this same article 2-3 times. I have effectively refuted the conclusion with facts every time so far. But instead of providing counterpoints to my rebuttal, you just post the same garbage over again. Typically, one would offer counterpoints, because just posting the same discredited information again shows that you don't comprehend the debate or are not capable of original cohesive logical reasoning..