F150 3.5L Ecoboost Swap Discussion
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F150 3.5L Ecoboost Swap Discussion
The 2011-2014 F150 Ecoboost engine and it's 6R80 auto trans is a very powerful and strong powertrain. With 365HP and 420ft-lbs it makes the F150 a strong performing truck.
Over 42% of all F150s built since the start of 2011MY have the 3.5L Ecoboost. That means there are over 400,000 F150s with the Ecoboost engine. AAA data shows that after 3 years of use, F150's have a 5% "Total loss, sold at auction" rate. (2011 & newer cars and light trucks with multiple air bag systems are see a much higher rate of "Salvage" due to the costs and liabilities associated with repairing them.) That means we are on our way to maybe 20,000 Ecoboost F150 "salvage" trucks in wrecking yards. THAT is an opportunity!
-- The F150's 3.5L Ecoboost engine is just 28-1/2" wide across the turbos, and just 22" wide across the cylinder heads.
-- It comes with a rear sump oil pan that is exactly the same oil pan as used on the 3.7L V6 in both the F150 and the 2011-2014 Mustang.
-- In fact, the F150 V6s and the 2011-2014 3.7L V6 have the same motor mounting pads on the blocks.
-- The Ecoboost's H-pipe mating locations are very similar to a Mustang's.
-- The 6R80 upper case dimensions and overall length are very similar to an old AOD, 4R70W, etc. (the lower case is larger, but not an issue for packaging in a vehicle tunnel.)
-- Actually, you could bolt a 2011-2014 F150 3.5L Ecoboost with the 6R80 right into a 2011-2014 Mustang. And very likely it would also fit into all 1979-2010 Mustangs, as well as 1998-2007 Rangers and many other RWD vehicles.
Now, if a 5250# 2011 2WD F150 Ecoboost SCAB with a 3.73:1 gear and 30" tall tires runs the 1/4 in 15.0 seconds. Then a 3500# mustang with 26" tall tires could well run into the 11s. And, get close to 30MPG highway FE.
What do you think?
Over 42% of all F150s built since the start of 2011MY have the 3.5L Ecoboost. That means there are over 400,000 F150s with the Ecoboost engine. AAA data shows that after 3 years of use, F150's have a 5% "Total loss, sold at auction" rate. (2011 & newer cars and light trucks with multiple air bag systems are see a much higher rate of "Salvage" due to the costs and liabilities associated with repairing them.) That means we are on our way to maybe 20,000 Ecoboost F150 "salvage" trucks in wrecking yards. THAT is an opportunity!
-- The F150's 3.5L Ecoboost engine is just 28-1/2" wide across the turbos, and just 22" wide across the cylinder heads.
-- It comes with a rear sump oil pan that is exactly the same oil pan as used on the 3.7L V6 in both the F150 and the 2011-2014 Mustang.
-- In fact, the F150 V6s and the 2011-2014 3.7L V6 have the same motor mounting pads on the blocks.
-- The Ecoboost's H-pipe mating locations are very similar to a Mustang's.
-- The 6R80 upper case dimensions and overall length are very similar to an old AOD, 4R70W, etc. (the lower case is larger, but not an issue for packaging in a vehicle tunnel.)
-- Actually, you could bolt a 2011-2014 F150 3.5L Ecoboost with the 6R80 right into a 2011-2014 Mustang. And very likely it would also fit into all 1979-2010 Mustangs, as well as 1998-2007 Rangers and many other RWD vehicles.
Now, if a 5250# 2011 2WD F150 Ecoboost SCAB with a 3.73:1 gear and 30" tall tires runs the 1/4 in 15.0 seconds. Then a 3500# mustang with 26" tall tires could well run into the 11s. And, get close to 30MPG highway FE.
What do you think?
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Max Jeanson (03-15-2015)
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Do it. Take pics.
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I am trying to decide which chassis to select for the initial installation of the 3.5L Ecoboost. I am down to either a 2005 S197 chassis or a 2001-2004 SN95 chassis. The least fabrication would be with the S197 Chassis, but the SN95s are cheaper and lighter. I am just checking my local sources to see when a good candidate chassis hits the market. I would prefer a good solid (rust-free) Nevada chassis that does not need body work, paint, or a new interior.
I am also working to get two other car projects completed and sold to free up my garage space and provide some budget funding as well.
I am also working to get two other car projects completed and sold to free up my garage space and provide some budget funding as well.
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1.) How to do Power steering; either add a pump to the engine or convert the FOX body to electric steering.
2.) How to control the engine with either the factory PCM or an aftermarket PCM.
If you decide to use a Manual trans, Ford Racing will be selling a "Controls Pak" that should provide all the electronic controls for the engine, should be available later this year. If you decide to use the 6R80 6-speed auto then you will need to use the factory PCM system and you will need an Interface module to allow that to work properly without all the other system modules being present (ABS, Traction control, Airbag module, etc.)
You could just use manual steering system if you want, but if this is a street car, I suggest you convert to 2011-2014 Electric steering system.
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I was planning on manual, or a custom bracket to adapt the old style power steering using something like a flip drive setup.
The engine controls would be the biggest issue. However, I've talked to a tuner and he says if I can get the complete harness with PCM He should be able to custom make a tune to allow the engine to run.
Honestly, I'm hoping to buy a wrecked ecoboost truck, and swap as much as possible over. Like I said, getting the engine in the car is the easy part. Figuring out how to control it becomes the task. Wiring and stuff like that doesn't bother me, so I'm preparing for a nightmare.
The easy swap would be finding a wrecked new mustang and swapping it over, but I like to go against the grain.haha
The engine controls would be the biggest issue. However, I've talked to a tuner and he says if I can get the complete harness with PCM He should be able to custom make a tune to allow the engine to run.
Honestly, I'm hoping to buy a wrecked ecoboost truck, and swap as much as possible over. Like I said, getting the engine in the car is the easy part. Figuring out how to control it becomes the task. Wiring and stuff like that doesn't bother me, so I'm preparing for a nightmare.
The easy swap would be finding a wrecked new mustang and swapping it over, but I like to go against the grain.haha
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2013 mustang ready to swap
I own a 2013 mustang with a junk V6 motor (the 3.7) and I just bought a 3.5 boost off of E-Bay, I am going to order a engien harness, the ECU, anndddd........ Dose any one have any idea what else I need? I'm getting pin out and a wiring diagram for BOTH mustang and a Ford F150 this is my very first project and I think i bit off more than I can even chew, I should of started with a Honda or some thing, but I hope I can get help from here too this form seemed to have the most info in it. And I'm new here so I'm sure I'm doing this wrong.
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Max,
OK, let's start with some information. Where do you live? Is the 2013 Mustang an auto or manual trans?
This is not a project for a beginner, but it can be done, and you can get a lot of help and information on this site.
(Also, not clear in your note, but the engine does need to be from a F150. The Taurus and Explorer FWD engines are completely different.)
Walt
OK, let's start with some information. Where do you live? Is the 2013 Mustang an auto or manual trans?
This is not a project for a beginner, but it can be done, and you can get a lot of help and information on this site.
(Also, not clear in your note, but the engine does need to be from a F150. The Taurus and Explorer FWD engines are completely different.)
Walt
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